Why People Off Su****ion Get It Worse Than Actual Cheaters?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Well you can see that some fans are very biase and plain ******, when Bradley was fighting JMM they all sudden remember that JMM had Heredia who was a steroid pusher previously, this give them and Pac fans (Whose motto before that was let the commission do their jobs) the excuse that they need to accuse or put more fire to the "JMM was on steroid and that how he was able to KO Pac" theory. At the end of the day whether the guy is su****ious or not he was willing to test himself with whatever test is out there. That for me is better than a fighter that refuse random testing and still got backed because he is supposedly a good guy.

Well said, I don't think Marquez is clean if I'm being genuinely honest but at the very least, Marquez was willing to do the testing, he didn't look for a 30 day cutoff, he didn't pick the dates in which he wanted to be tested, he didn't also ask to change the procedure of 3-6 blood test into solely 3, we all know who did that. The fact that what I said, all facts, didn't leave his fans discontent only shows the hypocrisy. The anger is more within the fact that Marquez finished Pacquiao, that's where this bitterness comes from.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Are you calling Roys career and ATG status into question because he tested positive once all the while defending Margaritos career because he only got caught once?

I'm questioning on the why no su****ion. As for Margarito, there is a su****ion and I understand that part. Unlike Roy, there isn't anything that says he used it in a fight.

Let's be real though... it's because sometimes you're more likely to know someone is juicing by spotting the signs than the commissions are with their "testing". Look at guys like Lance Armstrong, the guy was juiced to the gills for YEARS and was still never caught. lol. Look at Bhop... FFS, look at that guy. Not saying Bhop is on the gravy but god damn that guys 50 and barely lost a damn step.

The fact of the matter is, while testing certifies someone did or tried to cheat, it certainly doesn't disprove all the ones that passed.

Hopkins is one of the very last people I would suspect of using anything illegal. Sure he does illegal stuff in the ring but if he were to be taking something, it would totally be showing at this point with the side effects that go with those illegal products.

You're right about Armstrong but do you think boxing should have stricter rules like other sports? I mean, Marion Jones had her gold stripped and Armstrong got stripped of his titles as well. Those are sports where people don't get hit.

[thuggery]

The same people who go around accusing Pac and other foreign fighters with any bit of power stay pretty quiet when the topic shifts towards those who have actually came up with a positive test such as Love, Berto, Rios, Peterson, Bey, Mosley and so on. Good question TS, but I really don't know why they do it. I guess they'd rather hurl a cloud of su****ion towards fighters they simply don't like for personal reasons, rather than dealing with the actual PED abusers in the sport.

[Fighting_Pride]

just like in court, reasonable doubt is enough to get you convicted. make no mistake, there is a a clear cut line between rumors and actual circumstantial evidence.

pacquiao has always been clean. even when he was still fighting at featherweight, he would weigh 140-ish on fight night.

those under su****ion are very likely doping and the rest are just cheats whether they intentionally did it or not.


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[Weltschmerz]

People will have opinions no matter what. The fact that fighters get caught don't make them worse fighters IMO. Many top athletes use PEDs, that's just a fact and part of the game. It is wrong to those who are actually clean fighters, but it is what it is. If Roy Jones Jr. cheated, he is still one of the greatest fighters of all time.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Why no su****ion for what? For all the other fights those fighters tested positive for? Probably because you are drug tested for every fight, if you pass it's deemed you didn't cheat for those fights, if you don't pass it's deemed for that fight you did cheat. It's more cut and dry. Even though we obviously know drug testing isn't perfect.



You mean like, being 49 years old still at the top of the sport without a hitch?


If you hold a title, it should be. But if you choose to fight again after your suspension and win the title and test negative you should be allowed to recapture that title legit.

Maybe it could be the competition is lacking but media driven? I've seen guys that aren't good get hyped up crazy-like. Either way, what Hopkins is doing is a great thing and I dislike that dude. That guy looks more like he just takes care of himself.

I see what you're saying overall though.

As for the last part of your response, isn't that too lenient though? Look at how other sports ban(like you can no longer participate) you for something like steroids and even from the damn history books.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Why no su****ion for what? For all the other fights those fighters tested positive for? Probably because you are drug tested for every fight, if you pass it's deemed you didn't cheat for those fights, if you don't pass it's deemed for that fight you did cheat. It's more cut and dry. Even though we obviously know drug testing isn't perfect.



You mean like, being 49 years old still at the top of the sport without a hitch?


If you hold a title, it should be. But if you choose to fight again after your suspension and win the title and test negative you should be allowed to recapture that title legit.

Hopkins success is su****ious but we have to be honest with ourselves and look at the opposition he's in with. For example, most like to underrate Hopkins' MW reign but those "lackies" would have forced current Hopkins to fight at a much higher pace. Hopkins is literally walking around his opponents, doing very little as possible and using the art of deception; bluffing his opponents into thinking he's gonna attack, all to again...slow down the pace. Kind of comical how that keeps working for him but we'd more than likely see an old man if he faced Kovalev or Stevenson.

I mean Murat showed more skills than Shumenov and Cloud combined

[Black Barty]

just like in court, reasonable doubt is enough to get you convicted. make no mistake, there is a a clear cut line between rumors and actual circumstantial evidence.

pacquiao has always been clean. even when he was still fighting at featherweight, he would weigh 140-ish on fight night.

those under su****ion are very likely doping and the rest are just cheats whether they intentionally did it or not.


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Pretty sure JMM did, too.

Btw I have two questions I have yet to receive a satisfying answer to. I'm going to ask them now, maybe 1000th time is a charm:

1) How is JMM more su****ious than Manny?

(And please be more creative than "he hired Memo, 'nuff said".)

2) If Floyd only asked for OST in 2009 to have an excuse to duck Manny, then why didn't Manny call his bluff and agree to OST?

(Please don't mention "disrespect", "needle phobia", "blood draining" or any other ****** excuse Team Pac came up with.)

[Bigg Rigg]

Tony got suspended and Tito didn't. Which means he wasn't doing anything as bad as Margarito. Accept it bro. And cuz of that his career gets questioned, that's what happens.

[-PBP-]

Everyone is biaa and had their favorites when it comes to this stuff.

Just look at Pac fans. In 2009, random testing was a coward act to duck a fight. Now its cool.