Victor Conte : JMM is Doping and Big time.

[DannYankee]

Holy crap. I saw the fight and didn't see the acne. I stand corrected. I still think his body looks like an old man. No "V" shape what so ever and he was getting tagged by a "B" class fighter.

Also here is the back acne. It was much easier to see on my tv on full hd thats when i got off that "it was a razor doe" reason i thought.

[Holywarrior]

You are waiting for Floyd to say something then and only then will you say it's true .... some Floyd fans are naïve and gullible.

What on earth does Floyd saying anything have to do with this. You pac stans are too paranoid

[VatoMulatto]

I saw him the other day. He was driving a green ford Taurus. He's mad cause he got exposed as a cheat. Now he's trying to bring innocent people down. Fck that broke cheat

JMM is working with Memo. You really think Memo is an innocent person? Memo used to work for Conte. Memo was part of BALCO and just like Conte knows everything about roids. Memo is a well known admitted steroid dealer and has no business in boxing or sport period. Any athletes that work with him is asking for trouble. Conte and Memo both same trash.

[PlasterWraps]

There was a study published somewhat recently that states that working out hard in your 40s is just as beneficial as in your 20s.

The acne is suspect as hell though, so now I'm pretty sure he's doping it up. He also looked smaller to me than he did for Pac and Bradley, with noticeably more fat at the sides.

And let's stop pretending that JMM can't take a shot by bigger guys. Juan Diaz was lighting him up and JMM still iced him.

[Evol]

memo better tighten it up in his QC department cause the peds he's pushing out the side effect is starting to show on hulkquez..

[Evol]

JMM is working with Memo. You really think Memo is an innocent person? Memo used to work for Conte. Memo was part of BALCO and just like Conte knows everything about roids. Memo is a well known admitted steroid dealer and has no business in boxing or sport period. Any athletes that work with him is asking for trouble. Conte and Memo both same trash.

to add to that memo ratted everyone out to get a free pass from jail.

[Mayabang]

Anyone know if these are old scars?

[John Barron]

the body acne is comical as hell and difficult to ignore.

but that said, alvarado was never any good to begin with. provodnikov, alvarado, rios are really the product of HBO not having any other fighters they can talk about. they have to name drop these fools at every opportunity like they're top fighters but they aren't.

[Evol]

What on earth does Floyd saying anything have to do with this. You pac stans are too paranoid

maybe just maybe because it all started from floyd? u know the one who made a big deal about peds and drug testing? and then now u have marquez looking like a test dummy for peds lab but yet we hear nothing from the people that used to rally behind floyd about potentially dirty fighters?

[BennyST]

Yes

Its very su****ious to say the least compared to the case of Pac and Floyd.

Pac-Marquez - 1st 3 fights Pac appeared to be the stronger fighter, hits harder can take a harder shot never been down in all 3 fights. Marquez dow 4 times.

suddenly on the 3rd round of the 4th fight Marquez connected on overhand right and it knock Pac down JMM got stronger bigtime.


Pac was eating shots in the 2st 3 fights who appeared to be stronger than that.

You've just completely contradicted your own argument.

First of all, as you say, Marquez connected with a huge right hand that was a cleaner shot than any he had previously landed in all three previous fights.

Second, he was with Heredia for the third fight and looked just as big and muscled as in all following fights, so why didn't he spark Pac out? Could it have had to do with simply fighting a very different game plan and landing a better shot against a too offensive Pac? Seems likely given he landed some massive shots in the third fight, while supposedly on roids with Heredia too, and could only shake and stun Pac like all his previous fights.

Then suddenly Pac fights more offensive, and Marquez changes up the game plan to go for single power shots instead of combinations, and guess what? He landed a bunch of really hard shots, particularly the one after Marquez own knockdown, that if he had this new found power like people keep raving about, would have stopped Pac clean right then.

It took Pac completely falling for a Marquez feint to the body and leaving himself completely open to drop him with the hardest shot Marquez could possibly throw, and it still only dropped him for a three count. That's not new found power. That's just bad defense and a good feint.

Then to stop him, it took Pac to literally run into a perfect counter right hand, that Marquez had already landed not long before, but without Pac running into it, it only briefly stunned him, just like in his three previous fights.

Marquez landed the perfect counter, but without Pac running into it, it would have just stunned him again. It wasn't Marquez new power, but simply Pacs desperation to stop Marquez that led to it.

Anyway, as you yourself and anyone with a brain can figure out, Marquez was also with Heredia in the third fight and landed some huge shots, so if that's the case, where was the new found power then?

Where was the new found power and speed against Bradley?

Where was the new found power and speed against Fedchecnko?

Where was the new found power and speed against Alvarado?

Before anyone brings up the one knockdown as some kind of 'proof', if you think Marquez only knocking Alvarado down once, a guy who had been dropped twice in his previous fight, wobbled and nearly dropped by a jab in the fight before that, stunned, wobbled and nearly dropped numerous other times and stopped twice in his previous three fights, as proof of Marquez' new found power, you can't be helped because having only one knockout in five fights at 147 all points to significantly less power, and losing to guys he would have beaten at lower divisions all point to less speed and power, not more.

The people arguing this though are the ones that wouldn't consider questioning Pacs unheard of rise through divisions, and being able to not just keep his power and speed, but increase it to the point that he was annihilating guys that significantly bigger, and that bigger fighters had not been able to do.

But I guess Pac refusing testing, getting more speed and power the higher he moved up and looking more like freaking Bruce Lee the higher he went, which itself is unheard of, as he destroyed guys that hadn't been destroyed so bad before, isn't nearly as questionable as Marquez losing power (yes, losing power, as one KO in five fights under Memo, compared to three KOs in four fights at 135 before Memo and seven KOs out of eleven fights at 126 when he first stepped up to championship level equals losing power), losing speed, and losing more fights, except for one KO and getting bigger after starting a weight training program (which is the purpose of it after all and entirely expected) for the first time in his career.