Dan Rafael: 800-900k buys for Mayweather-Maidana

[radioraheem]

take your L and move on

No, he is correct. That amateur of a writer said the following. And if you want to defend this writer, then you must believe the following is true.

According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.

[Robbie Barrett]

There was an article the NY Times did that broke down Floyd's pre-Showtime business model, I'll see if I can find it. I think 45% of profits goes to cable/satellite providers, 45% goes to the promoter, and 10% goes to the network/broadcast. A fight of this magnitude would cost about $10 million to promote.

So if the 850K number is correct, that means the fight netted about $60 mil (I used $70 average per buy). That means the distributors and promoter get $27 mil each, Showtime keeps $6 mil for themselves.

Floyd is technically the promoter, so he's on the hook for all purses (assuming repayment of the guarantees comes out of the promoter's pot). Meaning he has to pay back whichever 3rd party makes the guarantees, which total about $37 million. He also has to cover the promotional costs, which is in the neighborhood of $10 (He claimed in one All Access he was throwing $12 mil into promotions). Plus he has to come up with Golden Boy's fee which is about $3 mil.

So all said, the total cost for the event on the promoter's end is about $50 mil. With the $27 mil profit, that means he's $23 million in the hole.

Of course you'd have to factor in the gate, sponsorships, international TV rights, etc into the profit but looks like pretty heavy losses for whoever is responsible for covering the costs of the event.

BTW 1.5 million buys nets about $47-$50 million for the promoter, which is probably where Smith got that number from.

Those numbers are bull****. Going by those Arum lost money on Pacquiao-Bradley 2.

Pacquiao-Bradley sold 750,00 so made 52.5 Million in PPV.

Cable provider - 23.6 (45%)
Pacquiao - 20 Million
Bradley - 6 million
HBO - 5.25 (10%)
= 54.85

Haven't counted the undercard and promotion costs because i don't know them.

[The Gambler1981]

take your L and move on

LOL, I just proved you wrong and it took me less than a minute to do. Please do try and come at me though this should be fun.

[radioraheem]

It was also Tim Smith who was working for the NY Daily News at that point~

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/floyd-mayweather-request-manny-pacquiao-drug-tested-matter-boxing-ethics-article-1.434258

Look in the mirror broham

And the funny thing is the NY Daily News is notorious for cooking up bad articles. Where writers cook up pieces that end up getting debunked later.

[The Gambler1981]

And the funny thing is the NY Daily News is notorious for cooking up bad articles. Where writers cook up pieces that end up getting debunked later.

Indeed I would have figured a certain group of fans would have remembered this guy from that incident.

But hey it is a good depiction of people believing what they want, back then Mayweather fan's were backing Smith, not this his article suits another agenda a totally different group is backing him.

Anybody can be wrong, or misinterpret something so anybody who blindly believes anything relating so what someone says in boxing is beyond foolish where there is a ton of information put out there to spin.

[way2strong]

No, he is correct. That amateur of a writer said the following. And if you want to defend this writer, then you must believe the following is true.

LOL, I just proved you wrong and it took me less than a minute to do. Please do try and come at me though this should be fun.

LOL..The stans Unite! the guy's source was tedy atlas just take your L and move on you can not win a battle with Lies..Keep it real

[DoktorSleepless]

I love how Glaser and Espinoza have been beefing over on twitter over the number. Even if Glaser's number was just a lucky guess, it looks hilariously bad on Espinoza if he ends up having announce a similar number.

[ThePrince]

Those numbers are bull****. Going by those Arum lost money on Pacquiao-Bradley 2.

Pacquiao-Bradley sold 750,00 so made 52.5 Million in PPV.

Cable provider - 23.6 (45%)
Pacquiao - 20 Million
Bradley - 6 million
HBO - 5.25 (10%)
= 54.85

Haven't counted the undercard and promotion costs because i don't know them.

Interesting, I've read multiple sources that say the number is closer to 800K. But either way, with the live gate, sponsorships, international TV rights, etc Pac-Bradley 2 makes a profit. Maybe a relatively small one, but a profit nonetheless. Or worse case scenario they just break even. Arum himself called the returns a disappointment.

The promoter of May-Maidana is in the red by a minimum of $15 million or so.

And those numbers aren't bulls*** BTW, I provided my sources. Read up.

[The Gambler1981]

LOL..The stans Unite! the guy's source was tedy atlas just take your L and move on you can not win a battle with Lies..Keep it real

How did I lie I said Tim Smith wrote a story saying exactly what I said and I poster the article. Sticking your head in the sand does not make anything I said go away.

He never gave up his sources, so you would be talking out of your ass like always.


You should go to a Dora the Explorer message board, that is probably more your speed you might even be able to intimidate someone there.

[Toyman]

This is just confirmation of what I have always believed: This fight was a total financial catastrophe. It got nowhere close to the 1.5 million which was needed to break even.

Floyd's drawing power has been badly exposed.

Correct me if im wrong, but the guerrero fight did 800k?

Stacked undercard + cinco de mayo, accounts for about 38% of the buys, which means floyd generated about 580k buys.

The Canelo fight sold 2.2 mill, but there were not just TWO, but FOUR additional factors at play here. Canelo, Mexican holiday, stacked undercard and an enormous promotional tour.

PPVs are not a linear or arithmetic game. Canelo as a B side adds 40% to your PPV buys. Mexican independence day is even more importnt than cinco de mayo, and of course the stacked undercard plays a huge role. Mexican indepedence day adds 40% and a stacked undercard, an extra 15%. Last but not least, there was a huge build up for this fight - they wouldnt do this unless it was expected to add a further 20% to PPV buys.

Floyd *1.4 *1.4* 1.15* 1.20 = 2.2 million. Which means floyd counts for about 815k of the 2.2 million by my estimations.

I've already done the calculation for the maidana fight, and proved that floyd contributed about 500k out of the 850k total. In total, I'd put Floyd's drawing power at roughly 650k - which is much lower than manny's.


When manny fought rios and bradley, the PPV numbers were reduced by factors such as fighting in macau and fighting a boring (yet top 3 p4p fighter) in bradley. But manny's drawing power is north of 800k for sure.

Floyd fans need not be angry. Floyd being a 600K drawing power is nothing to be ashamed of. The problem is the fact that showtime estimated him at over 1 million, which has so far proven to be a DISASTROUS mistake. Now we all know why manny's team laughed at the 40 million fixed offer. Floyd pays himself them the majority of his fees, which actually even further reduces his real drawing power, but i'm not exactly sure how to factor that into the calculation right now.