Tyson on today's fighters

[A-Wolf]

Relate very strongly to what he's saying and how he feels. And it goes well beyond boxing.

[Tarl of Bristol]

Stop talking bollocks, you complete and utter dunce. There was no rematch clause and there was a verbal agreement for a second fight just a month after the first fight took place. And Duran sure as **** didn't go up to 200 pounds (unless you're claiming to know more than his own handlers. )

So here is another internet tough guy yapping his mouth while he hides behind his computer.

[Tarl of Bristol]

i don't know if roberto duran, actually blew up to 200 lbs after beating sugar ray, but sugar ray did admit in an interview, that he knew duran went to drinking and partying, and broke his neck to get an immediate rematch due to that...smart dude that sugar ray...lol

When Roberto went in to training camp for the rematch he weighed 186 1/2.

Ray was so insistent on the rematch being as quick as possible once he found out about Robertos eating and drinking binge that one of his trainers, Dave Jacobs quit because he didn't realize the shape Roberto was in and thought Ray shouldn't be rushing back.

The fact that Ray made Roberto wait for the better part of decade for the rubber match is almost as disgraceful as Roberto's "no mas." Its also a shame that because Leonard was such a huge money draw that he was able to dictate the optimal conditions for all his fights, often to the other fighters disadvantage.

[soul_survivor]

I didn't say Jr., Macklin, and Murray were unranked, where did you get that from? I said Barker was unranked, and I'm pretty sure he was. Pac or Mayweather would have gotten killed for fighting anyone like Barker, and that's when people were trying to say Martinez was the real #1.

I also didn't say anything about discarding anything from either of their careers. Again, I don't know why you're pretending I'm criticizing their whole careers. I never said anything remotely like that. But both Pac and Martinez took some easy competition when they reached the top, because they could.

Barker was not unranked.....

And Martinez didn't take any easy opponents, he fought Pavlik for the title, beat Wiliams in a rematch and beat the top contenders of his day. WHo was he supposed to fight at the time? GGG who had yet to appear on HBO or American TV? Move up and fight Ward when Martinez is himself a relatively small middleweight. Come on now, your getting whooped in this argument.

Pacquiao was at the top before Oscar, he was one of the premier fighters on the planet but if you mean "at the top" in terms of financials well he pretty much cleared out the WW division, beating Cotto and Mosley, beating Clottey a top 5 guy at the time. Who should he have fought? Thurman/Porter were still crafting as prospects if that at the time. Who else? Mayweather... LOL. Who else? Bradley, p4p top 3 and second in any unbiased welter rankings, Pac beat him twice. I have no clue what else he was supposed to do. The only fight I hold against him is Mosley.

Hatton was THE MAN at 140 and Pac moved down to HIS weight to fight him and annihilated him in 2. Wheres the easy road I wonder?

[bojangles1987]

Barker was not unranked.....

And Martinez didn't take any easy opponents, he fought Pavlik for the title, beat Wiliams in a rematch and beat the top contenders of his day. WHo was he supposed to fight at the time? GGG who had yet to appear on HBO or American TV? Move up and fight Ward when Martinez is himself a relatively small middleweight. Come on now, your getting whooped in this argument.

Pacquiao was at the top before Oscar, he was one of the premier fighters on the planet but if you mean "at the top" in terms of financials well he pretty much cleared out the WW division, beating Cotto and Mosley, beating Clottey a top 5 guy at the time. Who should he have fought? Thurman/Porter were still crafting as prospects if that at the time. Who else? Mayweather... LOL. Who else? Bradley, p4p top 3 and second in any unbiased welter rankings, Pac beat him twice. I have no clue what else he was supposed to do. The only fight I hold against him is Mosley.

Hatton was THE MAN at 140 and Pac moved down to HIS weight to fight him and annihilated him in 2. Wheres the easy road I wonder?

You're just intentionally misreading my posts, or not reading them at all at this point, because you keep bringing up stuff I'm not saying at all. I'm not even going to bother.

[Ham Porter]

When Roberto went in to training camp for the rematch he weighed 186 1/2.

Ray was so insistent on the rematch being as quick as possible once he found out about Robertos eating and drinking binge that one of his trainers, Dave Jacobs quit because he didn't realize the shape Roberto was in and thought Ray shouldn't be rushing back.

The fact that Ray made Roberto wait for the better part of decade for the rubber match is almost as disgraceful as Roberto's "no mas." Its also a shame that because Leonard was such a huge money draw that he was able to dictate the optimal conditions for all his fights, often to the other fighters disadvantage.

Wait, what happened to the 200 pound mark? You're incapable of maintaining any inconsistency even in a single thread.


I've told you once and I'll tell you again: Duran sat across from Leonard in an ABC studio just a month removed from the first fight and gave a verbal agreement for a second fight, one in which he has acknowledged that he knew was coming.


Duran wasn't made to wait for anything. Quitting in the middle of a fight doesn't entitle you to an immediate rematch and Leonard was completely inactive for most of that decade. Duran only became a viable option when he barely edged past Barkley and Leonard needed an easy option instead of the biggest threat in the division, Michael Nunn.

[soul_survivor]

You're just intentionally misreading my posts, or not reading them at all at this point, because you keep bringing up stuff I'm not saying at all. I'm not even going to bother.

Take your defeat like a man.

You said "Pacquiao and Martinez took the easy road after they reached the big time"

The above is your response to me completely disproving your crap. I'm embarrassed on your behalf.

[Tarl of Bristol]

Wait, what happened to the 200 pound mark? You're incapable of maintaining any inconsistency even in a single thread.


I've told you once and I'll tell you again: Duran sat across from Leonard in an ABC studio just a month removed from the first fight and gave a verbal agreement for a second fight, one in which he has acknowledged that he knew was coming.


Duran wasn't made to wait for anything. Quitting in the middle of a fight doesn't entitle you to an immediate rematch and Leonard was completely inactive for most of that decade. Duran only became a viable option when he barely edged past Barkley and Leonard needed an easy option instead of the biggest threat in the division, Michael Nunn.

He had balooned up to 200 pounds and couldn't even start training camp before he fasted for almost a week because he was too fat to even run. When he began training camp he weighed 186 1/2

Ray even told Duran on the 30/30 when asked why he made him wait so long for the rubber match that he made him wait "because I could. it was psychological."

Hey man, end the condescending nonsense in your posts directed toward me, there is no need for it.

[Ham Porter]

He had balooned up to 200 pounds and couldn't even start training camp before he fasted for almost a week because he was too fat to even run. When he began training camp he weighed 186 1/2

Ray even told Duran on the 30/30 when asked why he made him wait so long for the rubber match that he made him wait "because I could. it was psychological."

Hey man, end the condescending nonsense in your posts directed toward me, there is no need for it.

Not even his own manager claimed he ballooned that high (not before the fight, where he stated Duran was seventeen pounds over the limit - quoted some ten weeks before the fight; not after, when he stated Duran had gone as high as 183), so you're evidently talking a whole lotta bollocks.


Duran wasn't made to wait for **** all. He quit in the middle of a fight, moved up in weight and Leonard moved on to more significant matters before an eye injury halted his career for the next five years. There was no demand for it, no incentive for it, yet you keep clinging to it.

[Tarl of Bristol]

Not even his own manager claimed he ballooned that high (not before the fight, where he stated Duran was seventeen pounds over the limit - quoted some ten weeks before the fight; not after, when he stated Duran had gone as high as 183), so you're evidently talking a whole lotta bollocks.


Duran wasn't made to wait for **** all. He quit in the middle of a fight, moved up in weight and Leonard moved on to more significant matters before an eye injury halted his career for the next five years. There was no demand for it, no incentive for it, yet you keep clinging to it.

Leonard even claimed in the 30/30 that he made Duran wait because he could and that it was psychological.

I don't talk bollocks so save your ignorant insults unless you wanna stop throwing them while hiding behind your keyboard and come insult me in person.