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You missed the entire point of what I was saying. I never called their entire careers into question, but both Pac and Martinez fought soft touches after reaching the top.
Pac's career after Cotto was very disappointing before the Bradley fight. Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez 3 was a terrible run for a guy who was at the top of the sport. Clottey was a good fighter, but he fought him instead of Mayweather. The other guys were awful cherry picks.
Martinez fought Dzinziruk, unranked Darren Barker, Matthew Macklin, Chavez Jr., and Martin Murray. That is not a good run for a guy people tried to argue should have been the p4p #1 over Pac and Floyd. Can you imagine the backlash if either of those guys tried to fight someone as unknown as Darren Barker? Now he's cherry picking Cotto for the money. Floyd got ripped to shreds for fighting Cotto 2 years ago at a better weight.Comment
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Its great to see Iron Mike say the things that need to be said.
While he is not totally innocent due to his own demons/issues during his career, I am glad to see a mature Mike that is looking to the future of our beloved sport!!Comment
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A lot of people tend to forget that it took a very, very long time to get Tyson and Holyfield in the ring together. Leonard trained secretly for over a year and then when Hagler started to slip a little and Ray was able to get all his demands, largest ring in history, 12 round fight, bigger gloves did he publically challenge Marvin and make the fight. He then refused to Marvijn a rematch. When Duran blew up to 200 pounds, Leonard then decided not to "retire" and demanded the rematch clause as quick as possible so Duran would be more concerned with burning weight than actually training for the fight. After the 2nd fight, Leonard made him wait almost a till Duran was completely shot to give him the rubber match.
There have always been fighters that would'nt fight other fighters and there have alwasy been fighters that played games. I agree with Mike Tyson that the best should be fighting the best but lets not get deluded and think that it is only a new trend that this isn't happenning because its been going on for a long time.Comment
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Stop talking bollocks, you complete and utter dunce. There was no rematch clause and there was a verbal agreement for a second fight just a month after the first fight took place. And Duran sure as **** didn't go up to 200 pounds (unless you're claiming to know more than his own handlers.
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Man I stopped reading cos you obviously have no idea what you're saying.
The Mayweather fight didn't happen cos Mayweather said he didn't want it, end of. Pac has all but cleared out the decision between 08-12.
And when you say guys like Jr, Barker, Macklin and Murray were "unranked" lol all those guys were top 10 mws. Jr was the second best guy in the division at the time, a time when GGG had still to make an impact. Martinez beat the best in front of him.
And let's be serious now, Pacs wins over Barrera, JMM and Morales at lower divisions should not and can not be discarded, they were the very best out there.
These aren't opinions, it's simple facts.Comment
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i don't know if roberto duran, actually blew up to 200 lbs after beating sugar ray, but sugar ray did admit in an interview, that he knew duran went to drinking and partying, and broke his neck to get an immediate rematch due to that...smart dude that sugar ray...lolStop talking bollocks, you complete and utter dunce. There was no rematch clause and there was a verbal agreement for a second fight just a month after the first fight took place. And Duran sure as **** didn't go up to 200 pounds (unless you're claiming to know more than his own handlers.)Comment
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I didn't say Jr., Macklin, and Murray were unranked, where did you get that from? I said Barker was unranked, and I'm pretty sure he was. Pac or Mayweather would have gotten killed for fighting anyone like Barker, and that's when people were trying to say Martinez was the real #1.
I also didn't say anything about discarding anything from either of their careers. Again, I don't know why you're pretending I'm criticizing their whole careers. I never said anything remotely like that. But both Pac and Martinez took some easy competition when they reached the top, because they could.Comment
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Couldn't give a toss what he said. His words (some two decades after the fact) have zero bearing on Duran and how he lived/prepared between and for fights. I could reference Duran and his acknowledgment that he knew and was fully aware that a rematch was coming, but I don't need to.
Any notion of Duran not having enough time to prepare or being offered the fight on short notice is pure revisionist history, spouted by people that don't know any better.Comment
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Too many fighters are so biased and always think their era is the best one. Just like older singers who think todays music isn't as good as it used to be back in the day when they were young.
I bet you many fighters from this era will do interviews 20-30 years from now and claim that "boxers today just don't do it like we use to do" " They better step their game up and....blablablablabla"Comment
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