Is Floyd So Great That A Close Fight = A Lost?

[Xi_]

maidana didn't really use much dirty tactics...he went low a only because floyd was frustrating him with the holding.......it wasn't something that greatly benefited him...what benefited him was keeping floyd against the ropes and wailing away.......when he stopped pressuring floyd that's when floyd could take over...

rios wasn't as dominant when he moved up to jww? his first fight at jww he stopped formerly undefeated alvarado........... and lost a close fight in the rematch......

just admit already that maidana isn't that much different from rios...both guys are slow: check, both guys have mediocre defense: check, both guys are crude brawlers: check, both guys don't have any business of beating or giving any elite fighter a tough fight: check........

only thing that separates maidana from rios is he uses the jab more....

holding, rabbit punches, tackling, low blows.....etc. yea sure, maidana didn't use many dirty tactics. that style played a huge factor in this fight....why do you think garcia was instructing maidana to fight dirty???? to maidana's credit he did it well.....he cut off the ring well too.

rios went life and death with alverado, so that isn't dominant. rios is nowhere near as strong as maidana so stop........rios is not effective or strong above 140.

you can put a check next to all the attributes you want because thats not the argument, we're arguing levels and the point is maidana is better than rios at those same attributes and then some. floyd toughest fights have always come against guys who were physical pressure guys(i.e. chaves, castillo, burton, cotto, etc.) and who are you to say an elite guy can't have a tough fight against a lower skilled guy? are you gonna sit here and say that a maidana fight isn't a legit fight against any top ww? i know you're not that crazy.....odds don't mean anything to me when i analyze a fight, which is why i thought this was a really good fight when it was signed......check my post history.

[#1Assassin]

I re-watched the fight 3 times less intense second time watching it.
I score it 8-4 Floyd or 5-7 Floyd

It seems to me that Floyd being so great that when he has a close fight is like a lost cause he's not suppose to be in close fights.

He fought maidana fight and beat him by 2 or 3 rounds
In the rematch he will fight his fight and win by 10 rounds.
All he has to do is stay in the middle use his footwork.

But when a fighter never gets hit and then he finally gets hit is like
Wow. Manny pacquaio always wins close close fights no problem since we see him get hit all the time we expected him to get hit so he can hit em back.

But with Floyd people don't expect him to get hit yet alone be in a close fight.

At the end I'm happy he fought like that and give him more credit then I would of if he outboxed him.

Great fight tho for those who miss it here's a link
http://*************/watch?v=36gQUmLgjaU

to a certain degree. people arent used to seeing his opponents have success against him so they give them to much credit if and when they do. but more that that lots of people just dont like floyd and always give him less credit than he deserves. so any time he is in an even remotely competitive fight they will claim he lost, they did it with cotto and now again with maidana. anyone who isnt biased or ****** can tell floyd clearly won both fights.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I said that all night last night. These people are biased , hateful ******s who don't know shyt about boxing.

Oscar wins 4 rounds= Oscar won on NSB

Cotto wins 4 rounds= Cotto won on NSB

Maidana wins 4 rounds = Maidana wins on NSB

Rinse and repeat with these casual boxing fans.

[fcastro1]

I said that all night last night. These people are biased , hateful ******s who don't know shyt about boxing.

Oscar wins 4 rounds= Oscar won on NSB

Cotto wins 4 rounds= Cotto won on NSB

Maidana wins 4 rounds = Maidana wins on NSB

Rinse and repeat with these casual boxing fans.

But Floyd is supposed to be the best ever. Look at his opponents and the way he fights them, hardly the best. Mayweather is overrated. Put some slow plodder in front of him and of course you look like the greatest. May weather hasn't fought a great fighter in his prime since Castillo prob. How can someone call themselves the best and cherry pick. Then use all sorts of stipulations to have an edge. Floyd is nowhere near the greatest.

[ADP02]

Floyd loses every round he doesn't outright dominate.

If that is the case then Maidana should have won something like 11-1 . A majority of Floyd's winning rounds were won by a close margin.

I didn't see no "outright domination". You may have mistakenly been watching an old fight of Floyd's instead.

[dynomyte1444]

instead of giving props to a great for beating a game rough fighter he gets bashed. Its really pathetic

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

But Floyd is supposed to be the best ever. Look at his opponents and the way he fights them, hardly the best. Mayweather is overrated. Put some slow plodder in front of him and of course you look like the greatest. May weather hasn't fought a great fighter in his prime since Castillo prob. How can someone call themselves the best and cherry pick. Then use all sorts of stipulations to have an edge. Floyd is nowhere near the greatest.

What does this have to do with my post?

[ADP02]

I said that all night last night. These people are biased , hateful ******s who don't know shyt about boxing.

Oscar wins 4 rounds= Oscar won on NSB

Cotto wins 4 rounds= Cotto won on NSB

Maidana wins 4 rounds = Maidana wins on NSB

Rinse and repeat with these casual boxing fans.

You Floyd fans are doing double time to try to state what you stated but the fact is that Maidana had already 4 rounds won in the first half of the fight. If you can give Floyd more than 2 rounds out of first 6 then you can muster up easily 2 or 3 Maidana rounds in the second half because Floyd didn't do much in this fight to deserve a clear win like you are pretending it is.

[dynomyte1444]

But Floyd is supposed to be the best ever. Look at his opponents and the way he fights them, hardly the best. Mayweather is overrated. Put some slow plodder in front of him and of course you look like the greatest. May weather hasn't fought a great fighter in his prime since Castillo prob. How can someone call themselves the best and cherry pick. Then use all sorts of stipulations to have an edge. Floyd is nowhere near the greatest.

mike tyson says top 5 ever

bhop- says top 3 ever

paulie- says the best ever

I think its safe to say floyd is one of the best if not the best to ever.

He struggled at 37yrs old and still pulled out the victory but gets no props lol
Ok floyd is overrated smh

[#1Assassin]

still doesn't change the fact that mayweather fought a close fight against a guy who wasn't top ten p4p, wasn't in the top 5 at ww and is a crude slow brawler, and whose only stand out wins are beating a hype job (broner) and a mental midget (ortiz).........

kind of sad for a supposed #1 best p4p fighter and someone who proclaims himself to be the best ever...wouldn't u agree?

no, i dont agree at all.

if you followed boxing more closely you would know that just about every great fighter struggles against lesser opposition at some point. ray leonard struggled with kevin howard, hearns stuggled with minchillo and kinchen, ali with doug jones and dont even get me started on roberto duran.

thats just a few off the top of my head, like mentioned it happens to just about everyone. nothing sad about it, just shows that they are human. any human can have an off night and at the highest level everyone knows how to fight. maidana might not be on the level of a sharp floyd mayweather, but he is world level and world level fighters will give anyone a tough night if they dont show up.

no great fighter should be judged on one performance alone, good or bad. floyd had poor performances like everyone else but being able to pull out the W regardless is the best you can hope for. not having any lesser performances to begin with isnt an option, he is just a human being.