Klitschko in Top 10 If...?

[STEELHEAD]

I'm a level headed boxing fan first, fighter fan second. I call it how I see it and as it currently stands I reckon Wlad is a top 15, ATG heavyweight. Skills are tremendous, scary power and very disciplined. What lets him down is his chin, inability or unwillingness to throw combinations and a weak era.

But, what if, over the next couple years, he fights and beats everyone who rises the ranks as top contenders, namely:

Fury
Fury/Wilder/Stiverne
Pulev
Possibly the likes of Helenius/Boystov/Chisora, if some of these guys can come again

And he looks impressive doing it too.

Does he get a top 10 nod from you, the true boxing fan?

Klitschko nuthuggers or haters need not apply.

i agree at this time wlad could rank 15 to 20 on an atg list.
but beating no hopers like Fury/Wilder/Stiverne
Pulev and the others will not make him a top 10. you got to be practical and look at the pathetic level of compatition in the hvwt division.

[Long jabber]

if he beats larrys record he is definitly top ten ATG

if they are all preformances like the one against lepai from now on he will possible be top 5

[LacedUp]

if he beats larrys record he is definitly top ten ATG

if they are all preformances like the one against lepai from now on he will possible be top 5

So what you're saying is that if he keeps beating people who literally drives trucks for a living, he's getting into the top 5?

wtf has the world come to.

[bklynboy]

Thanks ma man!



That's not a bad list at all, but I can't rank Wlad over Tyson, over Liston possibly, over Bowe and co definitely but not Tyson.

I'd probably rank foreman over Holmes and Lewis. I've started to contemplate Louis somewhere other than 2 but a lot of research is needed for changes to that opinion.



Louis didn't beat a single guy who would be ranked as a top 15 ATG heavyweight and probably had more filler in his resume and is mostly know for his longevity with the title and skill level.

Wlad, especially for his size, is very comparable in terms of skill level with Louis, Lewis and Holmes. Wlad's power is just a level below the real big hitters in Foreman, Tyson and Shavers.

Yes, I agree none of the names he will/might beat are great but they are the biggest threats possible, following a series of victories over similar big threats in Haye, Pvetkin, Peters and Byrd over the last 14 years. All any fighter can do is beat the best in their era, it's why Marciano is held in such high regards.

I reckon a win over all the guys I originally mentioned would get Wlad a low top 10 ranking.

Louis may not have fought any TOP 10 but he fought a lot of excellent fighters.

VK's best fighters are Chris Byrd, an old Ray Mercer, McCline and David Haye. None of them are TOP 50 all-time. Chris Byrd and Ray Mercer were good wins.

Joe Louis beat Max Baer, Schmelling and Jersey Joe Walcott who are in the TOP 25. He also beat Billy Conn an ATG light heavy who went up to heavy and a lot of other fighters MUCH better than what WK is facing.

He also beat Bivins and Lee Savold (probably equal to VK's Chris Byrd and Ray Mercer wins).

[LacedUp]

Louis may not have fought any TOP 10 but he fought a lot of excellent fighters.

VK's best fighters are Chris Byrd, an old Ray Mercer, McCline and David Haye. None of them are TOP 50 all-time. Chris Byrd and Ray Mercer were good wins.

Joe Louis beat Max Baer, Schmelling and Jersey Joe Walcott who are in the TOP 25. He also beat Billy Conn an ATG light heavy who went up to heavy and a lot of other fighters MUCH better than what WK is facing.

He also beat Bivins and Lee Savold (probably equal to VK's Chris Byrd and Ray Mercer wins).

A ray mercer 15-20 years removed from his prime is not a good win imo.

[soul_survivor]

i agree at this time wlad could rank 15 to 20 on an atg list.
but beating no hopers like Fury/Wilder/Stiverne
Pulev and the others will not make him a top 10. you got to be practical and look at the pathetic level of compatition in the hvwt division.

But they are the very best around now, I think all fighters should be ranked, partly, by how good they were in their own era and if he beats the very best, looks good doing it, he would effectively have cleared out every top challenger over a period of over 10 years.

That's got to count for something.

[bklynboy]

A ray mercer 15-20 years removed from his prime is not a good win imo.

Yeah. Mercer was way past his mid 1990s prime - but he was still an experienced, accomplished boxer and miles above Leapai, Pianeta and Wach.

On the flip side he was 41 or so and 5 years or so since fighting Holyfield, Lewis and Witherspoon.

[bklynboy]

But they are the very best around now, I think all fighters should be ranked, partly, by how good they were in their own era and if he beats the very best, looks good doing it, he would effectively have cleared out every top challenger over a period of over 10 years.

That's got to count for something.

Yes. .... and no. The quality out there now is very low. Partly it's because so many people think weight == power. Muscling up and putting on fat doesn't make one a heavyweight; not having movement (Leapai anyone) doesn't make one a good fighter. Take a look at Leapai and then look at a contenders like Frank Bruno, Renaldo Snipes,Donovan Ruddock, Buster Douglas, Tony Tubbs, and others.

Now take them and compare them with Leapai, Tyson Fury, and Chisora.

[BluesMan]

It is not his fault that boxing is at an all time low...he is beating who is around.

My objective and subjective opinion on him...just outside the top 10.

Ultimately,will probably wind up just inside...

[soul_survivor]

Yes. .... and no. The quality out there now is very low. Partly it's because so many people think weight == power. Muscling up and putting on fat doesn't make one a heavyweight; not having movement (Leapai anyone) doesn't make one a good fighter. Take a look at Leapai and then look at a contenders like Frank Bruno, Renaldo Snipes,Donovan Ruddock, Buster Douglas, Tony Tubbs, and others.

Now take them and compare them with Leapai, Tyson Fury, and Chisora.

you can't possibly group Leapai with Fury/Chisora/Jennings/Wilder/Pulev, the top contenders in the world right now. That's ridiculous.