The Greatness of Wladimir Klitschko

[M Bison]

I Boxed for 4 yrs and had 25 amateur fights..what's your boxing background ?

Surely you mean unboxed

And I doubt it was only for 4 years.

[Suckmedry]

Yeah I was an amateur too, in Australia. I boxed when I was 15/16 for 2 years, moved to the country and just lifted weights ran and then took it up later again at 25 when I moved back until a few years ago, I have son, study, work, wife and other commitments now as well but still keep fit, have some backyard equip.

I had 3 fights, but sparred always, won all 3 though.

And how old are you then?

You cannot be less than 50 for you to be buying into this rubbish. Don't you realise this sort of stuff is damaging the credibility of our sport? Name one other sport where the proponents of 50 years ago could be competitive today? I don't think so.

I'm only 20. My fights were between the ages of 13-17. In Australia too.

There isn't another sport where the people from past ages would be competitive today, because there is no other sport like boxing, which combines skills and fitness to a degree that nothing else does. (Mma obviously being the only other thing)

[Suckmedry]

Surely you mean unboxed

And I doubt it was only for 4 years.

If you knew anything about boxing you would know that you fight often in the amateurs. And often 3-4 times in a week at tournaments etc

[Elroy1]

Only 20!

Nah, that's bull****. Look I'm sorry mate, Not persecuting you on age, I wasn't around for Ali either, but you can't possibly have made an objective assessment on these issues.

You have been sold into one of the biggest hoaxes in sports history my friend, propagated by the American boxing industry to continue to make money off of and retain prestige in the premium division of a sport in which they are currently uncompetitive in.

[Suckmedry]

Only 20!

Nah, that's bull****. Look I'm sorry mate, Not persecuting you on age, I wasn't around for Ali either, but you can't possibly have made an objective assessment on these issues.

You have been sold into one of the biggest hoaxes in sports history my friend, propagated by the American boxing industry to continue to make money off of and retain prestige in the premium division of a sport in which they are currently uncompetitive in.

No, I've been a boxing fan since 13 and have been researching its history and watching all sorts of fights since shortly after.

I'm a boxing fan first and foremost, not a fanboy of any one particular fighter. I analyse boxing and comment on it with my head, not my heart.

[Elroy1]

Then I dunno what your watching man. I heard you say that the fights of the 60's and 70's featured a higher level of skills. There's no way anybody who critically viewed those fights can reach those conclusions.

Honestly they all look like bums, Clay/Ali had very limited offence, mainly straight shots that were sloppy and crooked, little head and body movement, didn't sit down on his shots, and a compromised guard that contributed to him getting hit.

Foreman could barely even box at all! Watch his defence against Joe Roman. This is not a master boxer, this is just a really big guy compared to his opponents swatting him down like a fly. This was not a championship quality match.

Imagine if WK ducked Pulev next to instead fight Joe Roman? He would be stripped of his title pretty quick smart.

[VG_Addict]

I've got a good one for ya all... It really needs it's own thread but here's good enough...

Why is the HW division today not dominated by a 212lb runner with no punch and a questionable chin?

You see, guys like OneMoreRound and paid journalists like LacedUp like to infuse Ali with mythical qualities that never existed and pitt him as the winner against a dumbed down WK and the rest of the modern HW division.

But the talent pool is triple the size as it was then, and 6'3" skinny guys are everywhere now and Ali's style of hit and run was pretty easily copyable, as several fighters did in fact try to do. So given that there should be plenty of candidates for the job.. Where are they???

You see the OTNB community has never been able to successfully form a theory why this is so?

But I think I know the answer why they are not there. It just might be, crazy as it sounds, that that combination of qualities simply just isn't effective anymore. That a guy of that calibre and skillset cannot make it to top level HW anymore.

Perhaps that explains why there will never be another Muhammad Ali!

So, Ali is a runner, but Haye isn't? Nice double standards.

And Ali had a bad chin? YDKSAB.

[Elroy1]

So, Ali is a runner, but Haye isn't? Nice double standards.

And Ali had a bad chin? YDKSAB.

No. if there is one thing I definitely do know.. It is ****ing boxing!

Ali did have a "questionable" chin in the 60's. (He was belted to the floor by midgets)

Ali of the 70's had a much stronger chin.

Ali's chin of the 70's was great for his era but it had never been tested against the kind of power it would be exposed to in the modern HW division, rendering any chin argument compared with a modern era one effectively ruined.

Haye is also a runner, when did I say he was not?

There are a few differences between Haye and Ali.

Haye has some of the best reflexes of all HW's and he had excellent head and body movement. Ali was a punching bag.

Haye liked to hang on the outside, just out of range and would jump in for a Hayemaker. Ali runs all over the ring, he DOES have better FOOTWORK than Haye.

There handspeed is comparable

Haye's conditioning is far more specific to boxing and he is ripped

Ali's conditioning is of little relevance to a boxing fight because he was born 10 years too early for sprint theories to be implemented.

Haye has a brutal knockout punch

Ali cannot crack an egg without assistance.

[LacedUp]

Mormeck knocked down your boy David Haye ( well you keep talking about knock downs ... a weak argument IMO).

Shannon Briggs at 38 years old fought Vitali Klitschko. Wait a minute... WK is 38 years old and the universally recognized HW champion. Vitali Klitschko, at this age, was battering a young fresh Chris Arreola...

Thompson destroyed your other boy David Price. He beat Krasniqi and Solis, so what#s your point??

WK fought Rahman because the K brothers are gentlemen : Vitali got injured before fighting Rahman, Wladimir gave the latter a title shot ( the same applies to Chisora).

You rate Adamek as being a tomato can? Get out of here!! Adamek was the WBC mandatory and a top contender, Vitali simply sliced him into pieces.

Let me remind you that at the time your boy David Haye was ducking Wladimir the latter had to keep busy. And since most of the top contender say " I am not ready yet" the best fight that was available to prepare for Haye was Chambers because of his blazing speed.

Danny Williams just knocked out Mike Tyson when he fought Vitali and he got demolished.

And tell me, who really wanted to fight Wladimir Klitschko when he fought Wach and Pianeta? You even have the answer by James Ali Bashir himself who openly admitted that Fury and Wilder were openly ducking Klitschko...

Man, your hate goes beyond rationality!!

Mormeck fought Haye when even he was old! I was close to ringside for that fight - and I don't want to make excuses but that wasn't even a proper knockdown. Everybody at ringside knew what happened. Regardless, Haye doesn't have a strong chin anyway - and the two situations are completely different. Mormeck hadn't fought in years when he fought Wlad. He was the reigning champion when he fought Haye

A man who doesn't understand that different fighters peak and age differently is not worth my time. I didn't read the rest of your post.

[Boxing Goat]

Agreed.....

I bet more would agree that you are. Lets make a poll.