The Greatness of Wladimir Klitschko

[LacedUp]

This is professional boxing you treat all opponents with the utmost respect the fact some say he didn't come in top shape (career heaviest) well he only has himself to blame for that.

I mean he could of clearly rescheduled a fight with Vitali or Johnson, he never had to take the fight and the fact the excuse lingers that he wasn't prepared is a stinker of a note to end your career on.

Lennox is the last of those dominant heavyweights we have seen in sometimes besides the likes of the Klitschkos and his status definitely belongs among the top 5 of HWs atleast in my opinion he does.
Its just a pity we never got to see the rematch with Vitali.

I absolutely agree, but this stuff happens to almost everyone at the end of their careers - that's why there's so many upsets in boxing. And yes he only has himself to blame.

No, I think there's a date in mind with the PPV etc. Not as easy as it sounds + when you've been in 6 weeks training camp looking to fight, then you don't want to reschedule of course. You want to fight and Vitali stepped in.

He had been talking about retirement for a while, even saying he wanted Tyson to be his last fight, so it doesn't surprise me at all. And yes, the rematch should have happened - but everyone was prepared that it was his last fight.

What's a shame, is that it ended in controversy, but in some ways, it was the best thing that ever happened to Vitali.

[BattlingNelson]

Who said it was a problem? I'm just saying that most people realize what happened.

You've got to remember how Vitali was perceived at the time. A big guy with a padded record who would fold when it got tough. That's how.

Obviously we found out that wasn't the case. But Lennox, being a proud champion was willing to fight anyone at anytime.

Hmmm. No. He avoided Vitali, who was his mando, for about 2 years. So no. That is incorrect.

But his shape was also a result of him preparing for a Kirk Johnson and not a Klitschko.

Its not like Lummox had Vitali in higher regard than Johnson though. Probably even less so. Lummox had the benefit of being prepared to fight for the HW Championship of the World, while Vitali was only prepared for a slot on the undercard. So it would carry much more credibility to say that Vitali was less prepared than Lummox.

[LacedUp]

Vitali and Lennox had the same amount of time to train for one-another.

Lennox was the one who lost 4 of 6 rounds, was outlanded 2 to 1 and was hyrt multiple times in the fight. He's lucky the cut occured, I will put it that way.

Lucky that he caused not one but two massive cuts with punches?

Derp derp.

[BattlingNelson]

Vitali and Lennox had the same amount of time to train for one-another.

No. Lummox had been in Camp for months preparing for a HW Championship fight. Vitali had 10 days to get ready for a shot on the biggest title in sports.

[LacedUp]

Hmmm. No. He avoided Vitali, who was his mando, for about 2 years. So no. That is incorrect.

Its not like Lummox had Vitali in higher regard than Johnson though. Probably even less so. Lummox had the benefit of being prepared to fight for the HW Championship of the World, while Vitali was only prepared for a slot on the undercard. So it would carry much more credibility to say that Vitali was less prepared than Lummox.

How did he avoid Vitali? Come on, let's be realistic. Just because a fight doesn't occur doesn't mean someone is being avoided. I believe Wlad was actually the ring mag #1 between 01'-'03 - not Vitali. So I don't really understand what you mean there.

Also, everyone knows the Tyson fight was the fight to make. What's Lennox supposed to do? Turn away $20 million to fight a guy with less of name with whom no one wants him to fight?

That's what I'm saying though. None of Johnson or Vitali were held in particularly high regard by Lennox.

[LacedUp]

No. Lummox had been in Camp for months preparing for a HW Championship fight. Vitali had 10 days to get ready for a shot on the biggest title in sports.

Everyone knows Vitali paid off Johnson, and so do you.

The plan was for Lewis to beat Johnson and set up a PPV fight with Vitali in December 2003.

[Weltschmerz]

You are a troll. and you don't know anything about Frazier or his career, which is why I didn't bother to respond.

Again, you conveniently disguise the fact that Wlad has been knocked down 12 times in his career by limited opposition and has struggled with a Sam Peter in his career, yet you bring up Frazier's losses to ATGs and knockdowns he received in his first couple of fights.

Please try again.

And chinny Frazier was knocked down by all timers Mike Bruce and Oscar Bonavena, let alone KTFO by limitied slugger Foreman two times.

Limited Foreman > chinny Frazier.

Sam Peter would have bulldozed tiny, chinny Frazier.

[BattlingNelson]

How did he avoid Vitali? Come on, let's be realistic. Just because a fight doesn't occur doesn't mean someone is being avoided. I believe Wlad was actually the ring mag #1 between 01'-'03 - not Vitali. So I don't really understand what you mean there.

Vitali was mandatory for Lummox's alphabet belt for a very very long time.

Also, everyone knows the Tyson fight was the fight to make. What's Lennox supposed to do? Turn away $20 million to fight a guy with less of name with whom no one wants him to fight?

But he didn't get Tyson again did he?

Basically we can now agree that your statement of

But Lennox, being a proud champion was willing to fight anyone at anytime.

Is incorrect.

That's what I'm saying though. None of Johnson or Vitali were held in particularly high regard by Lennox.

No. You said:

But his shape was also a result of him preparing for a Kirk Johnson and not a Klitschko.

Which implies that Lummox was perceiving Klitschko as a bigger threat than Johnson. So which is it?

[LacedUp]

Hmmm. No. He avoided Vitali, who was his mando, for about 2 years. So no. That is incorrect.

Also, don't forget Lewis offered a fight to Vitali after Tyson ducked another Lewis fight - but as they couldn't agree the fight went to Johnson.

[BattlingNelson]

Everyone knows Vitali paid off Johnson, and so do you.

The plan was for Lewis to beat Johnson and set up a PPV fight with Vitali in December 2003.

No. I have never heard that before. Never. Do you have a credibly source?