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Originally posted by Red Cyclone View PostYou don't get beaten up by bums like George 'scrap iron' Johnson and knocked down by bums like Mike Bruce... Then choose to fight a guy who has legitimate power like Sonny Liston, Liston would of easily destroyed Fraziers fragile little chin.
Originally posted by Weltz View PostHow long was Frazier's championship 'reign'? How many HOFers/ATGs did Frazier beat?
He beat Ali & Foster - two ATGs.
Then he also fought two more very close fights with Ali and two more fights with Foreman.
- How many HOFamers/ATGs did Wlad fight/beat?
I'll wait...
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Originally posted by LacedUp View PostRight.. And Wlad was knocked down 12 times by below par opposition? Is that why he stays away from big punchers mostly?
Why did you put reign in ''? He was champ for 5 years.
He beat Ali & Foster - two ATGs.
Then he also fought two more very close fights with Ali and two more fights with Foreman.
- How many HOFamers/ATGs did Wlad fight/beat?
I'll wait...
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Originally posted by Red Cyclone View PostFoster... lmao grasping at straws.
the guy was one of the greatest light heavyweight champions of all time.
Just because you don't know him, doesn't mean i'm grasping at straws. He's a better win than any win Wlad has on his resume.
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Originally posted by LacedUp View Post- How many HOFamers/ATGs did Wlad fight/beat? I'll wait...
But hey,
So lets have a short look at the hall of fame career of Frazier.
In his second fight, Frazier right away gets floored by a dude by the name of Mike Bruce. It was in other words pretty clear that Frazier was chinny, long before facing Foreman.
Result? The Frazier management intends to protect their fighter, which translates into avoiding not few of the heavy hitters we had in the Golden Era. This means Frazier fights a lot of bums while building up his HOF/ATG career, whichever you want it. Frazier then goes on to getting floored by Oscar Bonavena 2 times, almost resulting in a TKO victory for Bonavena. Frazier instead gets a dodgy decision win.
Frazier later fights George Johnson and is handed what many believe is a gift decision after receiving a beating all night by Johnson. Frazier then beats the human punching bag George Chuvalo, as well as Tony Doyle and Marion Conner. In the meantime, Ali has been stripped of his title, but Frazier fails to participate in the 8 man elimination tourney arranged. Instead, Frazier fights the unskilled Buster Mathis and picks up a regional belt. Fast forward to Jerry Quarry, one of Fraziers career best wins.
Then the first Ali fight. Best fighter Frazier ever faced. But Ali was past prime already and was coming back after his long layoff. Ali hardly trained for Frazier on top of this. IMO Ali won the first Frazier fight, but hey, that's just me. Frazier spent 3 weeks in hospital after the fight ffs.
The rest we all know. Destroyed by Foreman twice and convincingly beat by Ali twice more. Fraziers career after the first Ali fight is mildly put unimpressive.
Is this ATG stuff???
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Originally posted by LacedUp View PostWhy am I grasping at straws?
the guy was one of the greatest light heavyweight champions of all time.
Just because you don't know him, doesn't mean i'm grasping at straws. He's a better win than any win Wlad has on his resume.
Tyson Fury beat Cunningham!!
TYSON FURY ATG, TBE, GOAT!! P4P1#
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Originally posted by Weltz View PostI believe you can find the answer to your question in this thread. I wont go over it again and repeat myself just for you.
But hey,
So lets have a short look at the hall of fame career of Frazier.
In his second fight, Frazier right away gets floored by a dude by the name of Mike Bruce. It was in other words pretty clear that Frazier was chinny, long before facing Foreman.
Result? The Frazier management intends to protect their fighter, which translates into avoiding not few of the heavy hitters we had in the Golden Era. This means Frazier fights a lot of bums while building up his HOF/ATG career, whichever you want it. Frazier then goes on to getting floored by Oscar Bonavena 2 times, almost resulting in a TKO victory for Bonavena. Frazier instead gets a dodgy decision win.
Frazier later fights George Johnson and is handed what many believe is a gift decision after receiving a beating all night by Johnson. Frazier then beats the human punching bag George Chuvalo, as well as Tony Doyle and Marion Conner. In the meantime, Ali has been stripped of his title, but Frazier fails to participate in the 8 man elimination tourney arranged. Instead, Frazier fights the unskilled Buster Mathis and picks up a regional belt. Fast forward to Jerry Quarry, one of Fraziers career best wins.
Then the first Ali fight. Best fighter Frazier ever faced. But Ali was past prime already and was coming back after his long layoff. Ali hardly trained for Frazier on top of this. IMO Ali won the first Frazier fight, but hey, that's just me. Frazier spent 3 weeks in hospital after the fight ffs.
The rest we all know. Destroyed by Foreman twice and convincingly beat by Ali twice more. Fraziers career after the first Ali fight is mildly put unimpressive.
Is this ATG stuff???
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LacedUp and his usual BS agenda as I said Mike Bruce dropped Frazier and Frazier got very lucky against George Johnson a guy who had more losses than wins and then the Oscar Bonaveda fight...
What a joke lol.
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Originally posted by LacedUp View PostWhy am I grasping at straws?
the guy was one of the greatest light heavyweight champions of all time.
Just because you don't know him, doesn't mean i'm grasping at straws. He's a better win than any win Wlad has on his resume.
Having said that, I must say that those who are mentioning Wlad in the same breath as they mention Ali must be living on another planet.
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Originally posted by Red Cyclone View PostHW beating a LHW = BEST WIN EVER! omg!!
Tyson Fury beat Cunningham!!
TYSON FURY ATG, TBE, GOAT!! P4P1#
Are you saying Foster = Cunningham?
Originally posted by Red Cyclone View PostWhen were these HOF fighters actually HOF fighters...
LacedUp and his usual BS agenda as I said Mike Bruce dropped Frazier and Frazier got very lucky against George Johnson a guy who had more losses than wins and then the Oscar Bonaveda fight...
What a joke lol.
Derp derp derp
ATG chin.
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