The Greatness of Wladimir Klitschko

[M Bison]

posters like this is what drives some away from this site.
please Weltschmerz hang with your own kind at those other sites.

He is just stating the facts...

Some people want to hold onto history and plot every little possible scenario possible but the fact of the matter is if Muhammad Ali tried to rope a dope with Wladimir Klitschko, Ali would get knocked out before he thought his gameplan got started.

Different era's butthurt nostalgia fans can only hold onto hope of history.

If you can't see from two sides of the coin then why would you expect fans of Wladimir to do so?
Yet we're the ones pushing people away from BS?
Lmao... please try harder.

[M Bison]

lol you guys are funny. At least put him in there with someone close to his size with a decent record, not some fat delivery man who throws about 10 punches per fight.

No disrespect towards Wlad intended

That's what happens when you've completely dominated your division, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier and George Foreman weren't capable of doing that yet they get pass due to notoriety/fame not down to boxing skill.

Larry Holmes and Joe Louis are the only two guys who completely dominated the division for a long time but both did have losses to somewhat...
Not great fighters just like Wladimir did.

[M Bison]

how is wlad greater then tyson......?


muhahahaha

Tyson got owned by a cruiserweight lol!

[LacedUp]

Tyson got owned by a cruiserweight lol!

Wlad was knocked out by a jouneyman?

What is worse? Being handled by an ATG cruiserweight and Heavyweight or get knocked out by a guy with 20 losses on his record?

Klitschko fans.....

[Long jabber]

Purrity didn't have 20 losses in his prime when he fought Wlad. Many of his losses came when he was older. When he was young, he had a draw with Tommy Morrison and went the distance with punchers such as Hasim Rahman (who later KOed Lennox) and Corrie Sanders.

Floyd Patterson lost to Joey Maxim, who already had 21 losses at the time of the fight!

David Haye was KOed by a 40 year old light heavyweight who had been KOed multiple times.

You love Joe Louis, but he nearly lost to little Billy Conn, who started at 135 and had losses to much worse boxers than Purrity.

You have great respect for:

Jimmy Young (19 losses, many to journeymen)
Ezzard Charles (25 losses, some to journeymen)
Joe Walcott (18 losses, some to journeymen)
Max Schmeling (10 losses, some to journeymen before he beat Louis)
Evander Holyfield (10 losses)
Jack Johnson (10 losses)

Why no respect for Wladimir? Because he has those 3 losses? I think at this point in his career he deserves a LOT of respect, especially coming back when everybody said he was finished ten years ago after the loss to Brewster. Wladimir is the modern day Cinderella Man.

there is no boring fights because of wlads lack of killer instinct or skill against top caliber fighters. against all of his best wins he never looked as good as he did in his last fight.

on the other hand there have been many HW atg who put on great preformances against there top wins.

wlad is great everyone acknowledges that he just needs more great preformances like his last one and people will forget about his past bad ones

[LacedUp]

Purrity didn't have 20 losses in his prime when he fought Wlad. Many of his losses came when he was older. When he was young, he had a draw with Tommy Morrison and went the distance with punchers such as Hasim Rahman (who later KOed Lennox) and Corrie Sanders.

Floyd Patterson lost to Joey Maxim, who already had 21 losses at the time of the fight!

David Haye was KOed by a 40 year old light heavyweight who had been KOed multiple times.

You love Joe Louis, but he nearly lost to little Billy Conn, who started at 135 and had losses to much worse boxers than Purrity.

You have great respect for:

Jimmy Young (19 losses, many to journeymen)
Ezzard Charles (25 losses, some to journeymen)
Joe Walcott (18 losses, some to journeymen)
Max Schmeling (10 losses, some to journeymen before he beat Louis)
Evander Holyfield (10 losses)
Jack Johnson (10 losses)

Why no respect for Wladimir? Because he has those 3 losses? I think at this point in his career he deserves a LOT of respect, especially coming back when everybody said he was finished ten years ago after the loss to Brewster. Wladimir is the modern day Cinderella Man.

Who cares if they were in his prime or not? Wlad was knocked out by a journeyman, plain and simple. To say a loss to Holyfield even slightly compares to that is complete idiocy.

I never thought much of Floyd Patterson, so I'm not going to comment on that at all.

David Haye lost to Carl Thompson in his 10th fight. Thompson was a former world champion and had beaten Chris Eubank twice. He was good and tough as old leather boots - he was old, but he was by no means a journeyman. Just too much for a very green Haye.

Wlad lost in his 25th fight. No doubting he was green at the time, but there's also no doubt that he should have beaten Purrity, I'm sure you would agree.

With regards to the rest you mention, I really don't think you can compare the likes of Charles, Walcott, Johnson etc to Wlad. They clearly have fought much much much better competition and fought much more frequently than Wlad does today, because of the time difference. When fighting every two weeks or every month the chances of you picking up a loss every once a while is a lot greater than the prize fighting model we have today.

Holyfield has 10 losses because he fought on way too long. Up until the Lewis fight where he wasn't fighting frequently and was getting on, he had only lost to Michael Moorer and Bowe (twice).

I'm sure we can both agree that Bowe and Moorer are better fighters than Purrity, Brewster and Sanders - no?

Jimmy Young is not on the level of Wlad - hence it would be unfair to compare them.

And besides, I respect Wlad plenty. I don't think it's disrespectful to say someone is one of the best 15 fighters that ever fought in his division! Do you?

I just can't take it seriously, when someone says he's the best of all times because he's just beaten a truck driver. I mean, come on.

[#1Assassin]

Wladimir Klitschko transformed heavyweight boxing. His performance against Leapai last night cemented this. His jab, footwork, defense and offense were all immaculate and incomparable. No style works against him.

He proved uppercuts, combos, feinting, swarming etc to be near-worthless (in the case of his opponents) and unnecessary (in the case of himself). Thus by his perfect minimalistic-seeming technique he actually shows how bad previous generations of boxers were who could win with such techniques like feinting and combos.

Wladimir is the blueprint for what strategies work (in his case) and don't work (in his opponents' case). Wladimir Klitschko is the measuring stick for champions of the past and future.

so by beating a completely one dimensional fighter who isnt even any good at that one style wlad somehow proves "no style works against him".

i looked real sharp shadowboxing the other day, no style work against me either!

lol, just read that measuring stick part, now i know you are just trolling. good one dude, seldom you get to the very last sentence of a post before you realize he was just messing around. well done.

[M Bison]

Wlad was knocked out by a jouneyman?

What is worse? Being handled by an ATG cruiserweight and Heavyweight or get knocked out by a guy with 20 losses on his record?

Klitschko fans.....

Mike Tyson got dominated and bullied about by a cruiserweight!!
LMAO!!!!

Neither Lamon Brewster, Ross Purity or Corrie Sanders were journey men they were legitimate heavyweights whom all respect the Klitschko brothers...
David Haye fans.....

[M Bison]

Who cares if they were in his prime or not? Wlad was knocked out by a journeyman, plain and simple. To say a loss to Holyfield even slightly compares to that is complete idiocy.

I never thought much of Floyd Patterson, so I'm not going to comment on that at all.

David Haye lost to Carl Thompson in his 10th fight. Thompson was a former world champion and had beaten Chris Eubank twice. He was good and tough as old leather boots - he was old, but he was by no means a journeyman. Just too much for a very green Haye.

Wlad lost in his 25th fight. No doubting he was green at the time, but there's also no doubt that he should have beaten Purrity, I'm sure you would agree.

With regards to the rest you mention, I really don't think you can compare the likes of Charles, Walcott, Johnson etc to Wlad. They clearly have fought much much much better competition and fought much more frequently than Wlad does today, because of the time difference. When fighting every two weeks or every month the chances of you picking up a loss every once a while is a lot greater than the prize fighting model we have today.

Holyfield has 10 losses because he fought on way too long. Up until the Lewis fight where he wasn't fighting frequently and was getting on, he had only lost to Michael Moorer and Bowe (twice).

I'm sure we can both agree that Bowe and Moorer are better fighters than Purrity, Brewster and Sanders - no?

Jimmy Young is not on the level of Wlad - hence it would be unfair to compare them.

And besides, I respect Wlad plenty. I don't think it's disrespectful to say someone is one of the best 15 fighters that ever fought in his division! Do you?

I just can't take it seriously, when someone says he's the best of all times because he's just beaten a truck driver. I mean, come on.

Says the same idiot who was saying Tyson Fury being knocked down by a cruiserweight makes him a **** fighter lmfao!!
This guy can't keep any consistency going he just bends and twists around any logical question being brought up...

Ooo buuut weak division
Ooo buuut dey no beat Lennox

Laced Up = Knows absolutely **** about heavyweight boxing

[BattlingNelson]

we're gonna go by resumes because I'm not gonna play a cat and mouse game with you (facts) i refuse to play a troll cat & mouse game with you.

Ibragimov, badly faded hollyfield & briggs (tony tucker has a better resume) Povetkin (ray mercer has a better resume. & yes. wlads win over mercer counts just as much as his MMA loss to kimbo slice) Chagaev (tim whitherspoon has a better resume) david haye (Michael spinks has a better resume)

who else? Arreola? (shavers & Tony Tubbs have better resumes) who else? I can prove that holmes era was stronger then wlads a million times over if you'd like.........

Then prove it. No need for a million times. One time will do.

So far you have proved zilch but offer an opinion of which there are as many of as there's arseh*les in NSB.