The Greatness of Wladimir Klitschko

[Suckmedry]

This thread needs to be stickied for ATG ******ity. That or deleted forever

[VG_Addict]

Modern heavyweights are better in many ways -

• Size
• Strength
• Physically look better (hold weight better)
• Tactically more sound
• Technique of the top heavies have improved drastically compared to the wing it and slug brawlers of past.
• Hit harder

Not to forget the hype on these modern heavies aren't anywhere near as bad as the likes of the 60s and 70s heavies who were more cruiserweights with their weight at times some of these HW bouts the fighters weighed from 185lbs - 197lbs

I'll give Ali credit he over 200lbs but he was far from being a big man of the division.

Past fighters were wing it and slug brawlers? You show you have no earthly idea what you're talking about. Just watch Louis, Tunney, or Walcott.

[M Bison]

Past fighters were wing it and slug brawlers? You show you have no earthly idea what you're talking about. Just watch Louis, Tunney, or Walcott.

I said most of the top guys were, just because a handful of fighters weren't doesn't mean the majority aren't.

[Elroy1]

Ha, he said the same thing on the other thread in Fantasy.

VG will be absent by the end of that debate I'm sure lol

Louis was not a defensive fighter, Tunny might be but it's not on the level of modern masters as is not Walcott.

Walcott did have good defensive skills not saying he didn't but he was no Chris Byrd.

Neither of those 3 are really relevant anyway because of other short comings.

And that's it ey, 3 boxers of the past you could think of?

See ya on the other thread VAG!

[M Bison]

I'm still waiting for you two to contribute something more than verbal ballwashing and jizz gargling. Unfortunately, given both of your post histories, I'll probably grow old and die waiting for that to happen.

How's that Klitschko **** sweat aftershave working out for you btw?

I'd think that with you talking to several guys on a dedicated thread for gay men that you'd have no right to even bring those type of things up...
Or perhaps it is up?
Do you get off on one talking to younger men like this... do you?
Ooo you dirty old pervert...


Do you work for the BBC???

[Elroy1]

Let's start with Why?

As you can see with lighter weight boxers still today, the punches are bearable more and more the lower the class. The heavier the boxers, the greater the chances of getting knocked out.

The HW division has seen a steady increase in the weight of it's boxers over time. In the 1980's when the CW division was introduced, suddenly the pool was limited to the heftier guys than before meaning the average fighter in the division had a greater punch from the outset and they kept getting heavier. More and more it became less desirable to take punches and more and more became evident that a single shot could knock you out.

For this reason it became necessary, that the modern boxers were trained and more aware of defence. In the past, most fights resembled slug fests as can be evidenced by film. It was possible to be successful like this because the punches were not nearly as hard. In modern times the punches have become so hard that those who engage in the punch bag like styles of the past failed to survive. There are still examples but all of them are either very hefty or otherwise have a very solid jaw (Holyfield etc). The East European style of stand up boxing has always embraced these ideas from the onset of their pro debut.

It's for this reason also that infighting has played a diminishing role at HW. Harder punches meant that being a rough and tumble fighter up close was not a stradegy for survival which is why the outside game has taken first priority, you need to be safe and tactical.

The height of some boxers as well as the predominant outside game also diminishes the value of feints. The greater distance of opponents and the larger sizes of the athletes (which compromises handspeed over all) means that a feint is both detected earlier and the following attack has more time to be dealt with.

Things like feints, the shoulder roll, hooking off the jab, infighting are of course still there, there are just reasons why they are not always employed. The modern HW employs what is effective for them. Today slipping and body movement is far more important.

The eras of the punch bags are over now. You cannot fight like that anymore and survive. It might make for more technical and some might say "boring" fights but it is for a reason, they want to WIN, not entertain. There are still boxers who fight like this, they are usually the thick, strong, bull type boxers, usually shorter who have to try get inside, these are the guys WK has to tie up. They have to have a very solid chin to be able to withstand a lot of damage or else they would get knocked out. A chinny little fighter like Frazier could never again survive.

[Boxing Goat]

Modern fighters aren't better in any way but size.

A good big man almost always beats a good smaller man.

[Boxing Goat]

This thread needs to be stickied for ATG ******ity. That or deleted forever

You need to be deleted. Why not just vanish already moron.

[Boxing Goat]

Past fighters were wing it and slug brawlers? You show you have no earthly idea what you're talking about. Just watch Louis, Tunney, or Walcott.

Those fighters would never even get a title shot in today's division. Just too small.

[Boxing Goat]

If Wladimir hit Frazier flush, he would not get up like he did against 210 lb. 'Big' George Foreman.