The Greatness of Wladimir Klitschko

[Elroy1]

ATG response.

And an ATG display pic or whatever you call it. Who is that chick taking her top off? She is so fine! lol

[M Bison]

Seriously NSB, how did this fanbase not get more votes in the "Most Deluded Fanbase" poll? Read this ****ing thread and see what Klitschko fans say about them. Post 4 Post no one else comes close. They make as many deluded and outright wrong statements as the Mayweather and Pacquiao fanbases combined.

"Carl Froch belongs in top 10 P4P"

"Carl Froch beats the crap out of Andre Ward in the rematch"

"Carl Froch beats GGG easily!!"

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[bojangles1987]

"Carl Froch belongs in top 10 P4P"

"Carl Froch beats the crap out of Andre Ward in the rematch"

"Carl Froch beats GGG easily!!"

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[M Bison]

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Lmao, that is absolutely not the case!

I remember what the Carl Froch fans were saying on NSB after he beat Groves.

[LacedUp]

So the fisherman has caught himself a snapper ey. Or are you something bigger than your friend LacedUp who turned out to be nothing but a sea horse LOL.

So you want to bash Wlad's record on the premise that there are no fighters on his resume that are admitted as ATG's.

Firstly, what is an All Time Great? What if in the future there emerges fighters that could have beaten an ATG (as if that has not already occurred) Does that guy still get to be an ATG? Sure. The answer is that ATG is a measure of fighters achievements against the landscape of their day. It cannot measure h2h in any way and demonstratably fails to measure h2h accurately at all.

But there are some (very idiotic) ppl who think ATG is a good measure of H2H. Which is where I try to explain to them this...

In an era where there emerged several ATG's (like the 70's), none of the top guys could have really been that good, because if they were that good, they would not have allowed other guys to also appear so great. Ali, Norton, Fraizer were not significantly better than each other and because Foreman lost to Ali he didn't get a chance to excel either and so rather than consider them all just good but not special, they all got to be ATG.

Conversely in an era where there is a dominant champion like a Klitschko, no matter that the other fighters like Chagaev, Haye, Ibragimov etd are very good (better than 70's opponents by far), but because the dominant champion is so unbeleieveably good he cannot be defeated, no other boxers are allowed to shine and therefore only a single (ignoring Vitali for simplicity, the brotherhood has nothing to do with it because they didn't fight each other anyway) ATG emerges and of course, because he never allowed any other ATG's to emerge, he can't have any on his resume.

Even a small child can understand this logical conclusion.

But for some reason there are grown men with such walnut sized brains to actually use that WK doesn't have any ATG's on his record as a proof that it is bad, when in actual fact it's because he shut anybody out who had a ghost of a chance!

Take a number and try again later

[PlasterWraps]

As for Hall of Fame...

Byrd, Haye, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Peter, Thompson, Rahman, Povetkin etc...

ALL have very high chances of getting into the HOF.

Only an idiot would presume not.

Besides that, HOF and ATG are both yankee institutions that really mean nothing at all. It's just ass sucking stuff really.

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Holy ****, I didn't think the day was going to get better than yesterday, but this...

Oh thank you for the laughs litttle guy. Thank you very much.

[Elroy1]

Dude the HOF lets heaps of boxers in.

It's the ATG that only lets "SELECT" fighters.

[LacedUp]

As for Hall of Fame...

Byrd, Haye, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Peter, Thompson, Rahman, Povetkin etc...

ALL have very high chances of getting into the HOF.

Only an idiot would presume not.

Besides that, HOF and ATG are both yankee institutions that really mean nothing at all. It's just ass sucking stuff really.

[Weltschmerz]

Yup, another classic example of little LacedUp 'replying' when he has been cornered and left dumbfounded. Ha ha!!!

[just the facts]

As for Hall of Fame...

Byrd, Haye, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Peter, Thompson, Rahman, Povetkin etc...

ALL have very high chances of getting into the HOF.

Only an idiot would presume not.

Besides that, HOF and ATG are both yankee institutions that really mean nothing at all. It's just ass sucking stuff really.

IMO, you can't question the greatness of Wlad, but except for MAYBE Haye or Povetkin (neither will make it on their current resumes) none of these guys will ever even be in the conversation for the HOF.