If you have Pacquiao P4P #3 or above....

[DARKSEID]

Well, that's obvious - but you claim that Pacquiao has beaten "several guys" who were in the P4P top 10. So, since that's true, maybe you can tell us who those guys are...

Bradley, Marquez, Hatton(Lineal 140lb Champ at the time with only loss at 147) Barrera, Morales, Clottey(considering he beat Cotto and his loss to Margarito is questionable since he broke both his hands in that fight plus there's the question of plaster.)

[hypodermical]

this boy probably had the likes of Broner and Chavez JR in the top 3 when they were still undefeated. LMAO! gtfoh

[Nay_Sayer]

That's not a bad list, except Bradley beat Marquez pretty convincingly. In what world would you put Marquez above Bradley?

Yes, Bradley beat Marquez but Marquez also beat the guy who just beat Bradley - and did so more impressively and convincingly. Be that as it may, I can't put Pacquiao ahead of Marquez right now. Loses matter people, and in my mind, Marquez gets more points for his KO than does Pacquiao for his UD.

[LoadedWraps]

Yes, Bradley beat Marquez but Marquez also beat the guy who just beat Bradley - and did so more impressively and convincingly. Be that as it may, I can't put Pacquiao ahead of Marquez right now. Loses matter people, and in my mind, Marquez gets more points for his KO than does Pacquiao for his UD.

That's only your mind though, and while you are entitled to your own opinion, you are both wrong, and in the red.

So save it.

[Cuban Linx]

In no particular order;

Mayweather
Ward
Rigo
Martinez
Marquez

Marquez is coming off a lose too.... Losses matter don't they?

[DARKSEID]

Yes, Bradley beat Marquez but Marquez also beat the guy who just beat Bradley - and did so more impressively and convincingly. Be that as it may, I can't put Pacquiao ahead of Marquez right now. Loses matter people, and in my mind, Marquez gets more points for his KO than does Pacquiao for his UD.

Marquez beat Pacquiao 2 years ago. Bradley Beat Marquez last year. Pacquiao Beat Bradley last saturday and would probably beat Marquez in a 5th fight

Pacquiao fights much smarter now, he's not the same fighter.

[Nay_Sayer]

Bradley, Marquez, Hatton(Lineal 140lb Champ at the time with only loss at 147) Barrera, Morales, Clottey(considering he beat Cotto and his loss to Margarito is questionable since he broke both his hands in that fight plus there's the question of plaster.)

The Marquez win was *highly* controversial as well as a LONG time ago. Hatton and the rest were also LONG ago. These fights have absolutely NO bearing on Pacquaio's P4P status now - especially considering what took place on Dec 8 2012 - and what Pacquiao has done since.

[straightleft]

Really?

Who was the last guy Pacquiao beat that was in the P4P top 10?

You are floydiot alt and we know you all are brainless troll.

[DannYankee]

Really?

Who was the last guy Pacquiao beat that was in the P4P top 10?

The last guy damn you gonna have to make me think really hard jeez oh god this is so tough...Oh wait a minute Bradley was #3 p4p even on the most biased of p4p lists he was #3 (ring) did you even think when you asked that ****?. You dont get to be on p4p lists for 500+ weeks straight without consistently facing the best.Dude if you are trying to attack Pacquiaos career resume to back up your b/s argument you will never be taken serious.

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[DARKSEID]

The Marquez win was *highly* controversial as well as a LONG time ago. Hatton and the rest were also LONG ago. These fights have absolutely NO bearing on Pacquaio's P4P status now - especially considering what took place on Dec 8 2012 - and what Pacquiao has done since.

The only thing that was controversial was the female judge's scorecard which incorrectly scored the first round 10-7 despite Pac's 3 knockdowns which would have landed him the Split Decision. The second fight was an even 6 to 6 rounds plus Manny scored a KD.

The fights against marquez when he started showing signs of steroid use are the iffy ones. I don't know where he got so much power. Out of nowhere. You don't just go from being a non- knockout puncher at featherweight to suddenly knocking down and knocking out someone who took Cotto, Mosley, Clottey and Margarito at 150's best shots.

Think about it, when was the last time Pacquiao was legitimately knocked down? And it came from Marquez? The 38 year old lightweight who just hired the most infamous P.E.D expert in the world.