How far does Pac move up in the ATG list after last Sat?

[Xi_]

You do know that 0 losses means nothing in boxing.

So Ali should be brought down because he lost fights smh.

Your Argument in Canelo, he is a good boxer but is way over hyped, his promoter also owns Ring magazine.

you asked for a p4p fighter and i gave you one......mosley(despite his age) and hatton were also rated highly as well when floyd fought them. and why do people keep saying the zero means nothing? yea it means nothing when you're facing bums but it does mean a lot when you're facing top opponents and champions around your weight.

[RAV3N]

would you agree that the bradley win is a better win than morales?

That is a tough one, the morales victory can be overrated but it was still a big one for him, he avenged the loss and its not like Morales was over the hill at that stage.

But Pac been clearly past it at his age beating the #3 p4p in his prime is probably a bigger win, so I would have to agree with you there.

[Robbie Barrett]

You do know that 0 losses means nothing in boxing.

So Ali should be brought down because he lost fights smh.

Your Argument is Canelo, he is a good boxer but is way over hyped, his promoter also owns Ring magazine.

Canelo isnt in his prime either, he is still a young boxer.

Ali would be even greater without losses so they do mean something.

[GOD-FR33]

Top 15.......

The win Saturday night was a LEGACY win. It was the same in the first fight as well. Bradley is no longer a feather-fisted puncher. He is getting stronger by the fight. Manny took some BIG shots and didn't even blink to the head and body. He loves to taste his opponents power, ala Holyfield. To me, he doesn't fight like he was ever Ko'ed by Roidquez. He fights the same way he always has, he's just smarter now. He's more efficient with his punches. He's showing why he is an ATG once again. The Rios comeback fight was an impressive and dominant performance. PERIOD. I don't care what anyone says; Rios was BIG, had power in both hands, and a granite chin. Manny showed his superior skill set, ring IQ, and stamina to shut him out. What is there left to do? Fight Thurman? Danny Garcia? Mikey Garcia? Nope. None of the above. Manny would hurt all of those young guys. Would they make great fights? Of course, but Manny has done enough for us fans. Let them fight each other. Unless he can secure a fight with Floyd Mayweather next, he should RETIRE. From 112-154lbs, he's won world titles and is the only 8 division champion in the history of boxing. I consider Manny to be Top 5 all-time. He's in the same ring with the likes of Leonard, Whitaker, Duran, Hagler, Ali, Chavez, Holyfield, Willie Pep, Hearns, etc. He's a ring immortal now.

[Robbie Barrett]

The win Saturday night was a LEGACY win. It was the same in the first fight as well. Bradley is no longer a feather-fisted puncher. He is getting stronger by the fight. Manny took some BIG shots and didn't even blink to the head and body. He loves to taste his opponents power, ala Holyfield. To me, he doesn't fight like he was ever Ko'ed by Roidquez. He fights the same way he always has, he's just smarter now. He's more economical with his punches and more efficient as well. He's showing why he is an ATG once again. The Rios comeback fight was an impressive and dominant performance. PERIOD. I don't care what anyone says; Rios was BIG, had power in both hands, and a granite chin. Manny showed his superior skill set, ring IQ, and stamina to shut him out. What is there left to do? Fight Thurman? Danny Garcia? Mikey Garcia? Nope. None of the above. Manny would hurt all of those young guys. Would they make great fights? Of course, but Manny has done enough for us fans. Let them fight each other. Unless he can secure a fight with Floyd Mayweather next, he should RETIRE. From 112-154lbs, he's won world titles and is the only 8 division champion in the history of boxing. I consider Manny to be Top 5 all-time. He's in the same ring with the likes of Leonard, Whitaker, Duran, Hagler, Ali, Chavez, Holyfield, Willie Pep, Hearns, etc. He's a ring immortal now.

Pacquiao isn't retiring anytime soon and no doubt in my mind he will get beat again because the $40 mil he owes isn't going away anytime soon.

[White_Knight]

Ali would be even greater without losses so they do mean something.

Ali's 0 wouldn't have meant anything if he avoided Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Holmes, and Berbick to retain it.

[GOD-FR33]

Smh.......

Smh. Oh, no wonder.

[Xi_]

Ali's 0 wouldn't have meant anything if he avoided Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Holmes, and Berbick to retain it.

he could've avoided the bolded and no one would've gave too st!ts......those guys were not good.

[Robbie Barrett]

Ali's 0 wouldn't have meant anything if he avoided Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Holmes, and Berbick to retain it.

I disagree if he never fought Spinks, Holmes and Berbick nobody would have cared he was shot to **** by then.

[GOD-FR33]

Yup.....

Yes sir. I understand that. For those who have Floyd ahead of Manny on their all-time great list, aren't logical boxing folks. Cotto's place on that list is higher than Floyd's as well. It's not even close. Floyd did this to himself. He has all of the talent to be what he thinks he is, but he doesn't have the balls. Sorry. In order to be great, you must take risks. There is no other way.