Pacquiao is P4p after this fight?

[BIGBOXINGFAN]

Active fighters like Hopkins, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Marquez, Jones Jr, klitschko's, Mosley, Morrales, Arce, Cotto, Martinez, don't need P4P list to determine their greatness.

They are exempt from that list in my eyes because of their many accomplishments.
rating them in a p4p list is almost disrespectful to a certain degree.

I think P4P should be for the young fighters who have accomplished great things in the ring.

My list........

1)Ward
2)Bradley
3)Garcia
4)Golovkin
5)Rigondeaux
6)Mickey
7)Donaire
8)Canelo
9)Lara
10)Maidana

[BIGBOXINGFAN]

Active fighters like Hopkins, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Marquez, Jones Jr, klitschko's, Mosley, Morrales, Arce, Cotto, Martinez, don't need P4P list to determine their greatness.

They are exempt from that list in my eyes because of their many accomplishments.
rating them in a p4p list is almost disrespectful to a certain degree.

I think P4P should be for the young fighters who have accomplished great things in the ring.

My list........

1)Ward
2)Bradley
3)Garcia
4)Golovkin
5)Rigondeaux
6)Mickey
7)Donaire
8)Canelo
9)Lara
10)Maidana

[Carpe Diem]

Of course he would be #1 P4P in the mind of his delusional fanbase.

[HeroBando]

He either lost to JMM twice or lost to Bradley and JMM any way you look at it.

"Among the experts above, 121 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 1 scored the bout a draw, and 1 scored the bout for Bradley."

"Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw."

[Boxing Goat]

If you use Ring p4p list then that just shows how much you are mistaken,...

I bet you thought broner, ghost and canelo were all p4p,,, experts had them there LMAO......

Wlad like a prime froch, is around 6,7,8 but without a full skillset, i cant have them top 5 guys,,, Roman gonzalez, chemito, serg, hopkins, jmm, are all more skilled than those guys...
Not trying to knock wlad, but it is what it is.. He has a huge size advantage over everyone he has fought, cant fight on the inside, continually just ties up and does a john ruiz vs anyone who gets on the inside

I get it, you're just too ignorant to have a meaningful debate with.

P4P is not just about skill at one fighters best. If that was the case Roy Jones would forever be P4P #1. It's what you have done lately with those skills. Rigo's one good win over Donaire doesn't eclipse Wladimir's whole body of work over the last decade. If you think it does, then you are in the wrong forum.

It doesn't take but a lifelong garbage mans intellect to get that yet you missed it every damn time.

Stop replying, you're only digging a hole for yourself.

[Boxing Goat]

I would shuffle Wlad to #3 and Manny to #4 personally. Then, Bradley #5 if he makes it competitive and Martinez in 6th.

What do you know. The new P4P rankings came out today.....
http://******.craveonline.com/ratings

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I get it, you're just too ignorant to have a meaningful debate with.

P4P is not just about skill at one fighters best. If that was the case Roy Jones would forever be P4P #1. It's what you have done lately with those skills. Rigo's one good win over Donaire doesn't eclipse Wladimir's whole body of work over the last decade. If you think it does, then you are in the wrong forum.

It doesn't take but a lifelong garbage mans intellect to get that yet you missed it every damn time.

Stop replying, you're only digging a hole for yourself.

P4p is all about skill and who is the best... That's the whole idea...

Rigo has more skills than wlad.. It's not even debatable... Wlad is skilled for a heavy, no doubt.. But I can't put him up on the same level as Floyd, ward, rigo.. He is a level below with manny, jmm,

You talk about wlad career work,, well then Hopkins would be clearly p4p 1, and manny would be 2...
Wlad hasn't beaten any as close as good as donaire was... So it's impossible to say he is as good as rigo...


And just lmao at the bold... You clearly say that p4p isn't about skills but what your doing with them currently, and then say Rigo's recent undressing of a
top 5 p4p guy isn't as good as wlad career resume.... You just contradicted yourself
It's either what skills your doing right now.. Rigo undressing a top5 p4p guy, or wlad wrestling povetkin, showing once again he has no inside game.

Or is wlad's career resume what u base it on, but u just stated it's skills right now..

Your contradicting yourself, plain and simple


Go ahead with your knowledge and start a poll.. Who is better p4p rigo or wlad,, and see the responses you get
Next time, try not and contradict yourself., basically ruins all credibility in your arguement

[Boxing Goat]

P4p is all about skill and who is the best... That's the whole idea...

Rigo has more skills than wlad.. It's not even debatable... Wlad is skilled for a heavy, no doubt.. But I can't put him up on the same level as Floyd, ward, rigo.. He is a level below with manny, jmm,

You talk about wlad career work,, well then Hopkins would be clearly p4p 1, and manny would be 2...
Wlad hasn't beaten any as close as good as donaire was... So it's impossible to say he is as good as rigo...


And just lmao at the bold... You clearly say that p4p isn't about skills but what your doing with them currently, and then say Rigo's recent undressing of a
top 5 p4p guy isn't as good as wlad career resume.... You just contradicted yourself
It's either what skills your doing right now.. Rigo undressing a top5 p4p guy, or wlad wrestling povetkin, showing once again he has no inside game.

Or is wlad's career resume what u base it on, but u just stated it's skills right now..

Your contradicting yourself, plain and simple


Go ahead with your knowledge and start a poll.. Who is better p4p rigo or wlad,, and see the responses you get
Next time, try not and contradict yourself., basically ruins all credibility in your arguement

Lol at your whole pitiful post. (and the ones prior)

I don't think you understand this or how it works at all.

First off, right off the bat, you are wrong and I'm right based on the actual rankings. Go see for yourself how Wladimir is ranked #3 and Rigo is 8th. You don't just jump to 3rd P4P off of one decent win unless it's against a Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather type of guy, expecially when you get dumped in the fight like GR was. (Donaire is no Floyd or Pac)

That's where the debate really ends but I will humor you.

Now, to further embarrass you, I will go into great detail as to why you have no idea what you are talking about.

Like I said previously, Rigo was an exceptional amateur and is a very good pro as has been demonstrated. The problem is that he has not had enough fights, has not fought enough elite opposition and has not proven that he belongs in the top 5 P4P. Now, you have an opinion like everyone else and you are entitled to it. The problem is that it is just a minority opinion. The experts think along my lines and rank him at #8 knowing very well how good he "potentially" is based on skillset, etc. Key word, POTENTIALLY.

Now, knowing that, do I automatically think Wladimir with his style would beat GR's in a head to head matchup if they were the same weight? Maybe, but maybe not.

Here's why: If Wladimir was 126 lbs or so, he would be blindingly fast based off of the fact that he's faster than 99% of the other heavyweights out there right now. If he were in that weight division he would also have exceptional power and would also enjoy a height and reach advantage.

On the other hand if GR were a heavyweight, it would go without saying that he would be average sized but would be exceptionally crafty and would have faster hands than almost all other fighters. Would he beat a bigger, way more experienced and harder punching Wladimir at the weight? maybe, but maybe not.

The issue is that there's no real formula to pick a P4P winner, which is why the whole debate is simply speculation. I just happen to be in the majority unlike you.

I tend to think it's relative to activity, skills and recent accomplishments. AKA, what has actually been proven. Not just what could be the case.

[bojangles1987]

What do you know. The new P4P rankings came out today.....
http://******.craveonline.com/ratings

That is a ludicrous list.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I don't think you understand this or how it works at all.

First off, right off the bat, you are wrong and I'm right based on the actual rankings. Go see for yourself how Wladimir is ranked #3 and Rigo is 8th.

There are no "actual rankings". Pound-for-pound is a mythical concept