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  • Tom Cruise
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    'Traditionally' Khan does better against defensive fighters...

    Will this still be the same under Hunter and at 147lbs?

    At 140lbs Khan usually had his best fights against fighters who tried move away from him and out 'slick' him. Guys like Judah, Malignaggi, Kotelnik and Lamont Peterson in the early rounds tried to outbox Khan and were overwhelmed by his speed and volume punching. He was able to keep each of them so preoccupied with defending his high speed flurries that they could not see/react to the gaps in his defence.

    my worry for him at 147 is that his opponents are going to have the reach and size to catch Khan way more consistently in between his punches. While Hunter has tried to slow Khan down slightly, he has still shown the tendency (against Molina and Diaz) to jump in with combos, leave himself open and get tagged. I think Khan has always struggled with his range, and has gotten away with it because of his blinding speed, at 147 this problem is going to be magnified. The extra reach and size of his opponents will mean he is always going to be there to be hit when he is getting his punches off. Also Khans other weaknesses, his power and chin, will surely be made worse also by the move up. Im not convinced when they say he was cutting loads of weight for 140 as a reason for his chin, I only really heard him saying it after he started losing.

    Some one with good timing and boxing brain, like Collazo for example, is going to be able to see Khans attacks coming (as he will have to start them from further out) and catch Khan on his way in or in between his punches.

    If Khan and Hunter can prove me wrong then fair play, but based on what I've seen of Khan, and few fights hes had with Hunter, Im not confident he will react well to the move up in weight.
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    Collazo likes to keep stationary and should only have success against Khan on the inside or if he can hurt Khan with a counter right hand

    Khan is shot as fck if Collazo does well on the outside.

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      #3
      I would never pick the outcome of a fight based on 7 lbs, but that's just me.

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        Originally posted by miniq
        Collazo likes to keep stationary and should only have success against Khan on the inside or if he can hurt Khan with a counter right hand

        Khan is shot as fck if Collazo does well on the outside.
        Why though? Collazo has a 3-4 inch reach advantage, matches Khan for height (maybe slightly taller?), has a decent southpaw jab and a good boxing brain... Khan has dominated from the outside at 140 using long quick punches, at 147 they arent going to be that long. Khan will be in range to be hit every time he moves in to punch, he never had that before.

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        • The Gambler1981
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          Collazo is a boxer but he is more offensive minded than defensive minded, not that he doesn't have defense but I would not call him a defensive boxer at all.


          It will be an interesting fight as there are reasons to think either can can have success

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            #6
            Originally posted by Tom Cruise
            Will this still be the same under Hunter and at 147lbs?

            At 140lbs Khan usually had his best fights against fighters who tried move away from him and out 'slick' him. Guys like Judah, Malignaggi, Kotelnik and Lamont Peterson in the early rounds tried to outbox Khan and were overwhelmed by his speed and volume punching. He was able to keep each of them so preoccupied with defending his high speed flurries that they could not see/react to the gaps in his defence.

            my worry for him at 147 is that his opponents are going to have the reach and size to catch Khan way more consistently in between his punches. While Hunter has tried to slow Khan down slightly, he has still shown the tendency (against Molina and Diaz) to jump in with combos, leave himself open and get tagged. I think Khan has always struggled with his range, and has gotten away with it because of his blinding speed, at 147 this problem is going to be magnified. The extra reach and size of his opponents will mean he is always going to be there to be hit when he is getting his punches off. Also Khans other weaknesses, his power and chin, will surely be made worse also by the move up. Im not convinced when they say he was cutting loads of weight for 140 as a reason for his chin, I only really heard him saying it after he started losing.

            Some one with good timing and boxing brain, like Collazo for example, is going to be able to see Khans attacks coming (as he will have to start them from further out) and catch Khan on his way in or in between his punches.

            If Khan and Hunter can prove me wrong then fair play, but based on what I've seen of Khan, and few fights hes had with Hunter, Im not confident he will react well to the move up in weight.

            I think the year lay off is going to effect him too, he might not have the movement he usually has, especially with the added weight.

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              What Hunter is trying to change Khan's style into should be effective against Collazo, if it's working. We don't know if it's working, though. It's hard to have expectations for Khan coming off a long layoff in his third fight with a new trainer.

              Just off the talent advantage, I think Khan will win. Collazo is no puncher, he won't put Khan out with a single shot I don't think, and Khan has had career success against boxers.

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                Originally posted by bojangles1987
                What Hunter is trying to change Khan's style into should be effective against Collazo, if it's working. We don't know if it's working, though. It's hard to have expectations for Khan coming off a long layoff in his third fight with a new trainer.

                Just off the talent advantage, I think Khan will win. Collazo is no puncher, he won't put Khan out with a single shot I don't think, and Khan has had career success against boxers.
                Thing is does Collazo have to put him out with one shot? Khan can get hurt and lose the next 2-3 rounds trying to get his legs back under him. I think if you are an average puncher (which I thing Collazo is) then you can hurt Khan and win rounds off that alone. Julio Diaz almost nicked a decision on my card based on just that.

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                Also this gif illustrates what im saying about him having to start his attacks from further out and then still being in range while punching, something that wasnt as bad at 140lbs.



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                • Tom Cruise
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                  Again falling short with his jab and getting caught in no mans land...



                  Against Collazo at 147 i can see that happening more often (obv Diaz isnt a big WW)
                  Last edited by Tom Cruise; 04-05-2014, 03:15 PM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Tom Cruise
                    Again falling short with his jab and getting caught in no mans land...

                    And against a guy like Collazo who will be looking for exactly those opportunities he could find himself in a lot of trouble as he might not even see it coming, regardless of what you think about Collazo's power.

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