To the people who think Collazo has a chance. Let me remind you.

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  • IronDanHamza
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    #41
    Originally posted by The Gambler1981
    Of course he can punch a bit, I just don't think he is a vastly bigger puncher than Collazo
    Whilst I agree his power has become overrated he's definitely a harder puncher than Collazo.

    Other than Ortiz coming off 2 stoppage loss's who has he even dropped with a single punch?

    Collazo has some pop and I actually think he could drop Khan or hurt him but he's not as a hard a puncher as Garcia.

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    • The Gambler1981
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      #42
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
      Not neccerarily because Matthysse couldn't stop Judah.

      Judah's only actually been legitmately taken out twice and that was Tszyu and Cotto.

      Khan he just quit.
      Matthysse is a brute force guy, while Garcia is a guy that gets power from his timing, speed and throwing a nice left hook.

      I wouldn't ever compare Matthysse and Garcia because that is different sort of thing, but Collazo him and Garcia.

      Like I said though he would have made Judah fold, if he hit very hard plus his power is limited to his left hook which is not the easiest punch to apply by itself against a guy who can take it away.

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        #43
        Collazo is more comparable to Julio Diaz's power if we're talking ex-Khan opponents. He could probably buzz or drop Khan but he's not going to separate him from his senses with one shot the way Garcia did.

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        • RubenSonny
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          #44
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza
          Dropping any version of Morales or stopping him tells me a guy has power.
          That's why I said he could stop Khan before their fight if he lands because people were saying he can't punch because of his low KO %. How times change.

          He did drop Judah.

          But I do also think his power is overrated now. He's not a monstrous puncher but he can definitely punch hard.
          No a 140lber dropping a career 122lber who had been completely shot for like 6 or 7 years even retired for 3 and came back flabby does not prove a guy has power.

          There is no fighter where you can say dropping any version of them is proof of power, no fighter is built like that.

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            #45
            Originally posted by RubenSonny
            No a 140lber dropping a career 122lber who had been completely shot for like 6 or 7 years even retired for 3 and came back flabby does not prove a guy has power.

            There is no fighter where you can say dropping any version of them is proof of power.
            I don't remember Maidana dropping Morales? Could be wrong.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
              I don't remember Maidana dropping Morales? Could be wrong.
              Okay, make a point.

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                #47
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                Whilst I agree his power has become overrated he's definitely a harder puncher than Collazo.

                Other than Ortiz coming off 2 stoppage loss's who has he even dropped with a single punch?

                Collazo has some pop and I actually think he could drop Khan or hurt him but he's not as a hard a puncher as Garcia.
                I don't agree, we will see on fight night~ his power is vastly overrated and but that is not that Garcia can't punch he just ain't no killer. To me everything he did came down to the situation, I think Collazo would do similar stuff in those same exact spots.

                You can think Garcia hits harder, but I don't think there is much in it at all

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                • IronDanHamza
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by RubenSonny
                  No a 140lber dropping a career 122lber who had been completely shot for like 6 or 7 years even retired for 3 and came back flabby does not prove a guy has power.

                  There is no fighter where you can say dropping any version of them is proof of power, no fighter is built like that.
                  Well Morales has shown his durability all the way up to 140.

                  Morales may have been shot, way out of his weight class but he's still very durable and evidently hard to drop and stop.

                  I didn't say it proved anything I said that was my theory on why if he lands on Khan he could knock him out and why I thought his power was underrated (At the time) and it turned out I was right.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by The Gambler1981
                    Matthysse is a brute force guy, while Garcia is a guy that gets power from his timing, speed and throwing a nice left hook.

                    I wouldn't ever compare Matthysse and Garcia because that is different sort of thing, but Collazo him and Garcia.

                    Like I said though he would have made Judah fold, if he hit very hard plus his power is limited to his left hook which is not the easiest punch to apply by itself against a guy who can take it away.
                    Yeah but what I'm saying is if that was the case then wouldn't that mean Matthysse isn't a hard puncher either?

                    He couldn't stop Judah or make him fold.

                    But it's clear that Matthysse is a hard puncher.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                      Well Morales has shown his durability all the way up to 140.

                      Morales may have been shot, way out of his weight class but he's still very durable and evidently hard to drop and stop.

                      I didn't say it proved anything I said that was my theory on why if he lands on Khan he could knock him out and why I thought his power was underrated (At the time) and it turned out I was right.
                      You said dropping any version of Morales tells you a guy has power. How do you know he was very durable?

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