Pac full mitt workout! Looking mofofast!

[Twako]

Most definitely. Of course you can.

There really aren't too many fighters that are great at making adjustments in all honesty.

then i guess morales barrera marquez cotto delahoya hatton etc were all dumb. they have this onedimensional not smart fighter in front of them and they couldn't win. jmm finally though after the 4th try.

[Evol]

When's Pacquaio ever had a hard time landing?

Pacquaio's rarely even needed to adjust because his A plan is too much for most fighters.

so in what fights did u notice that pac couldnt adjust when u just said he doesnt really need too since his plan A is too much for most fighters?

[Evol]

then i guess morales barrera marquez cotto delahoya hatton etc were all dumb. they have this onedimensional not smart fighter in front of them and they couldn't win. jmm finally though after the 4th try.

this is what im saying. they're saying pac is not smart because he cant adjust so when marquez lost to floyd because he couldnt adjust does that mean maraquez is not smart also? LOL

[IronDanHamza]

then i guess morales barrera marquez cotto delahoya hatton etc were all dumb. they have this onedimensional not smart fighter in front of them and they couldn't win. jmm finally though after the 4th try.

This **** again.

Are you reading?

Where have I said Pacquaio is one dimensional? That's a new one.

Since when does losing to a guy who isn't overly smart, make you dumb? What's with all these ridiculous analogies?

Mares isn't really a smart fighter, yet he beat Moreno, who is a smart fighter, that doesn't make Moreno dumb it just means Mares was the better guy on the fight and he had the tools to beat him.

Pacquaio first and foremost is a better fighter than every fighter you just mentioned that he's beaten, so that's one reason why he beat them.

Secondly, Pacquaio has many tools in his arsenal that troubled those fighters, that's another reason why he beat all of them.

Not every great fighter is a smart fighter.

[bojangles1987]

this is what im saying. they're saying pac is not smart because he cant adjust so when marquez lost to floyd because he couldnt adjust does that mean maraquez is not smart also? LOL

You're making it sound like smarts are what determines a fight above all else when it isn't.

The vast majority of the time, physical ability and style win a professional boxing match, regardless of how smart a guy is in the ring.

[Evol]

You're making it sound like smarts are what determines a fight above all else when it isn't.

The vast majority of the time, physical ability and style win a professional boxing match, regardless of how smart a guy is in the ring.

im not at all, im only debating the fact that pac is not a smart fighter when i believe he is.

[IronDanHamza]

im not at all, im only debating the fact that pac is not a smart fighter when i believe he is.

Well it depends how you're defining it.

You're saying "he's not a master scientist" which is basically saying he doesn't have "very high ring IQ" which is basically what I am saying when I say "He's not really a smart fighter".

If you're saying "Not dumb" = "Smart" then yeah Pacquaio is a "smart" fighter in that sense.

[bojangles1987]

im not at all, im only debating the fact that pac is not a smart fighter when i believe he is.

But you're defending that point by saying, "if he isn't a smart fighter then how did he beat so and so and how did he become so great?"

Because he was physically and stylistically too good for these fighters. Simple as that. Most the time, that's what why any fighter wins any fight. Like IronDan has said a dozen times now, it's not calling Pac dumb to say he isn't an especially smart fighter. He has some ring intelligence, but he doesn't operate in a ring based on that intelligence. He operates on instinct and physical ability.

[Twako]

This **** again.

Are you reading?

Where have I said Pacquaio is one dimensional? That's a new one.

Since when does losing to a guy who isn't overly smart, make you dumb? What's with all these ridiculous analogies?

Mares isn't really a smart fighter, yet he beat Moreno, who is a smart fighter, that doesn't make Moreno dumb it just means Mares was the better guy on the fight and he had the tools to beat him.

Pacquaio first and foremost is a better fighter than every fighter you just mentioned that he's beaten, so that's one reason why he beat them.

Secondly, Pacquaio has many tools in his arsenal that troubled those fighters, that's another reason why he beat all of them.

Not every great fighter is a smart fighter.

see you're digging yourself a hole now. pac has many tools now, so using them when needed to adjust to certain fighters doesnt make you smart? lol.

paulie has the gift of gab, but he isnt as smart as you think in the ring. heck hatton, a come forward fighter messed him up and he couldn't adjust.

[IronDanHamza]

But you're defending that point by saying, "if he isn't a smart fighter then how did he beat so and so and how did he become so great?"

Because he was physically and stylistically too good for these fighters. Simple as that. Most the time, that's what why any fighter wins any fight. Like IronDan has said a dozen times now, it's not calling Pac dumb to say he isn't an especially smart fighter. He has some ring intelligence, but he doesn't operate in a ring based on that intelligence. He operates on instinct and physical ability.

Precisely.

Some clarity, finally.