Nonbiased accurate look at Floyd's resume.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

He has better skills so he can outbox anyone. Manny would too if he had the skill

Manny has developed his skills, tbh I think after the ko to jmm, manny will be on his bike a lot, darting in for a few quick shots and be gone, like he did vs rios..

I don't think we will ever see the buzz saw manny that destroyed cotto, hatton, Barrera ever again.. We will now see the play it safe manny which should be very effective for him since he has such fast hands and more importantly fast feet..

[pacmanis1]

Floyd was coming off a 2 yr layoff when he fought JMM, and my thing is this; Its not like he barely beat a small bloated JMM. He came off a layoff and made him look crazy. Man I dont care about the weight, at ALL. Floyd was just too sharp.

I'm not disagreeing that it was an impressive win, I just wouldn't call it one of his best given the circumstances if everything. Styles make fights and everything JMM does well, Floyd can do better, and on top of that I'm factoring in JMM not being able to put on weight and Floyd not trying to make weight.

I agree Floyd has a very good resume, but it bothers me that it could be better. Had he fought Margarito, Pwill, Cotto and Manny after Oscar, all fights I think he could have won, I think you could could put his name next to anyone in the sport. I admit Arum didn't want Cotto to fight him back then. Pwill as fun as it would be I don't think was ever really screamed for by a majority of the fans (I could be wrong, before my time as an active fan). Manny and Floyd both deserve blame for the fight not happening, none of us were in negotiations so it's hard to know who's fault it truly was, but neither pushed as hard as they could of. Margarito's really the only fighter I will say Floyd 100% ducked. So yes I admit I have unrealistic expectations for what his resume could be, but with extraordinary talent comes extraordinary expectations.

[Holywarrior]

Manny has developed his skills, tbh I think after the ko to jmm, manny will be on his bike a lot, darting in for a few quick shots and be gone, like he did vs rios..

I don't think we will ever see the buzz saw manny that destroyed cotto, hatton, Barrera ever again.. We will now see the play it safe manny which should be very effective for him since he has such fast hands and more importantly fast feet..

Manny was soundly outboxed in the Marquez 3rd fight also lost to an over the hill drained Morales.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Manny was soundly outboxed in the Marquez 3rd fight also lost to an over the hill drained Morales.

Yes he was outfoxed by jmm in the 3rd fight,, won't disagree

Morales was not drained and over the hill,,, maybe in the 3rd fight but not the first, or second... Morales was a unified champ at 130, lost a super close decision to another great Barrera in a grudge match, then fought manny..

Maidana, and Garcia and David Diaz got the old morales

[I Love Jesus!]

First thing I want to say is that Im not a f.lomo. I used to ride for Floyd and truly felt that Pac was ducking him until he demanded 100% of the revenue. After the Cotto fight, this fool said, 'Take The test' in front of millions of people when everyone knew that at that point the money, and not the test, was the issue.

However, I have grown to let that slide from the Ghost fight to the Canelo fight.

The way he beat them made me feel that ducking Pacman wont blind me, or anyone from all of these masterful performances. There is NO FIGHTER IN HISTORY that can take his resume, and make the adjustments needed in order to dominate them all without being grazed. What are you going to say? 'Der they would knock them out in one round'?

Well take their power away, could they make poetry out of these opponents like Floyd does? No fighter in history could do it, and based off of skills alone I think Flolyd may be the greatest most skilled fighter in the history of professional pugilism.

Stopped reading right there lol

[The Noose]

Ortiz was a very aggressive Southpaw and a great volume puncher so what are you talking about? That was a GREAT style match up. JMM was a counterpuncher

Ortiz was always susceptible to straight rights, Floyd is a great counter puncher with perfect straight rights. Ortiz was in a brawl with Berto which made him very marketable, same with Maidana beating Broner. But very few people give these fighters a chance.
But yes, Ortiz was a volume puncher. I dont think it was a GREAT win tho. Because Floyd did what was expected of him. Nothing more. JMM was a joke of a matchup.

but the thing is this; He made them ALL look the same no matter WHAT their style was. That was a point I made. He changes his style in order to dominate them all without being grazed.

I agree. Im not anti-Floyd. I think he is great, but for a long time hasnt fought anyone i personally consider a real threat.

Which brings me to SRL....Which I will get into after I speak about Canelo. Canelo was not a brawler, swarmer, or like anything Floyd had seen prior. He was a Jumbo Boxer. I dont care about the odds, because they always predict Floyd to win easily. But Canelo was too big for Floyd I have always said that. Floyd stood in the pocket and walked that man down. Millions of casual fans witnessed it live and probably didnt even know boxing could be executed at this level. That was LEGENDARY. I dont think ANY fighter in history would be strong enough to challenge 2013 Mayweather who is THIRTY SEVEN FKING YEARS OLD.

You dont think Hearns or Leonard could have challenged Floyd of 2013? Seriously?
Canelo was bigger than Floyd and young, undefeated. But he was also very inexperienced, had just been almost outboxed by Trout, and his size didnt matter because he doesnt impose himself on fighters. He stands off and boxes them. He also doesnt have the stamina to be a pressure fighter.
Floyds performance was great, but again, i thought he would get an easy UD.

SRL didnt get hit because he went for KO's. He got hit because he is not as tactically sound as Floyd was, which for some reason this post makes me think your running around that fact. He got hit by bums, good, great fighters etc. My question was who could do what Floyd does. No fighter in history could. But if people really admitted this stuff, they may be saying something about Floyd that they dont wanna say. Floyd's overrall make up, is almost an unfair advantage when comparing him to fighters such as SRL

I dont think its fair to compare SRL to Floyd because Floyd has never faced an ATG like Leonard did. He had his chance, but ducked Pac.
I admit, i cant think of another fighter who could of moved up so many weights and still remained unbeaten and dominant like Floyd has.
But he also hasnt faced the opposition other greats have. And with Pac, actually chose not to fight him. Cant say that about SRL or other true ATG's.

So imo, Floyd is great, but there are major question marks.

[tyshun30]

Stopped reading right there lol

Lol hahaha

[I Love Jesus!]

That is the least biased suck off of a fighter I've Ever seen

Great thread

Thanks. You dont even have to be biased to look at all of the facts to admit this may be the most skilled creature in the sport. But you have to be GREATLY biased to ignore the facts and say all of the trash these posters say. Floyd is truly a once in a lifetime specimen. I think I may change the thread title in order to get more people to come in, and realize that Im right lol

Oh my God he actually thinks you were complimenting him. Thats enough NSB for this week I'm outta here.

[Holywarrior]

Yes he was outfoxed by jmm in the 3rd fight,, won't disagree

Morales was not drained and over the hill,,, maybe in the 3rd fight but not the first, or second... Morales was a unified champ at 130, lost a super close decision to another great Barrera in a grudge match, then fought manny..

Maidana, and Garcia and David Diaz got the old morales

Unified champ? you have a loose definition of unified. He beat Carlos Hernandez and Chavez who was on the verge of being deported numerous times. Hardly "Unified" champ status.

He got absolutely crushed by Raheem just one fight before fighting Pac in the rematch. It's why Morales moved up, he couldn't make 130 any more but he did for the $$$$$$$$$$$

[I Love Jesus!]

Yea because at the time Ortiz was so big, prime, and strong. I think thats the first time in recent years that Floyd fought a big prime young guy. And based off the mosley fight, Ortiz was looking really dangerous. Its no way Mosley would have done that to Berto. Because Mosley was "Old" remember? While Ortiz was in his prime.

And are you admitting that no fighter in history could dominate Floyd's resume as easily as he did? Could SRL have made them look as foolish? Be honest!

SRL would turn lightweight JMM into a corpse dude