Today ATG Joe Calzaghe turns 42

[daggum]

Ward obviously is the only one in position to surpass Calzaghe at one point or another, but he will not stay at 168 long enough to do it.

I'm no Calzaghe ball rider but he did have 20 defenses and held the title for the better part of a decade. After he unified, he wrapped up the #1 spot pretty handily.

Ward has a great resume but the win over Kessler was not as reguarded as Joe's because it was no longer a prime undefeated Kessler on his home turf.

simply holding the title and fighting bum after bum impresses you? sven ottke didn the same exact thing at the same exact time. how impressive does that make it if ottke can do the same exact thing?

[king4oranges]

Fack off yer fackin bender! That fackin cab driver yer love is a the biggest fackin joke in fackin boxing 'istory!

your vocabulary says it all...

definition of vocabulary is words btw..

[Boxing Goat]

agreed. manfredo, mger mtchkian, will mcintyre, tocker pudwill, juan carlos giminez ferrari, branko sobot, mario veit twice, evans ashira, miguel angel giminez, david starie, rick thornberry.

His opposition was not always the greatest but he held that title for a long, long time and did beat Eubank , Lacy and Kessler at 168.

I agree, a 168 lb Roy Jones would have wasted him and Toney & Hopkins is debatable.

[Boxing Goat]

simply holding the title and fighting bum after bum impresses you? sven ottke didn the same exact thing at the same exact time. how impressive does that make it if ottke can do the same exact thing?

Ottke never beat anyone close to Kessler's caliber.

[Szef]

sven ottke was dominant during his era...oh wait it was the same era that calzaghe was in. well this is awkward...

[daggum]

Ottke never beat anyone close to Kessler's caliber.

actually ottke beat glen johnson who is a more accomplished fighter than kessler. kessler beat mundine and froch while johnson beat roy jones and tarver. i'll take johnson's wins.

[daggum]

His opposition was not always the greatest but he held that title for a long, long time and did beat Eubank , Lacy and Kessler at 168.

I agree, a 168 lb Roy Jones would have wasted him and Toney & Hopkins is debatable.

so holding the title for a long time is the only thing that matters? artur grigorian alert! he literally didn't fight at a top guy for almost ten years. eubank wasn't good or relevant when he fought him. ward beating dawson is ten times better. both guys were drained but dawson was at least the reigning linear champ at 175. lacy wasn't even as good as berto or abraham. kessler is a good win but ward easily beat him. ward's resume is just better. bums really don't matter to me. especially when you are getting gift stoppages against most.

[Boxing Goat]

actually ottke beat glen johnson who is a more accomplished fighter than kessler. kessler beat mundine and froch while johnson beat roy jones and tarver. i'll take johnson's wins.

Now, you're grasping. Johnson only beat a badly faded Jones and lost bad to Tarver in the rematch.

Johnson also lost to a host of B rated fighters.

To each their own opinion I guess.

[Boxing Goat]

so holding the title for a long time is the only thing that matters? artur grigorian alert! he literally didn't fight at a top guy for almost ten years. eubank wasn't good or relevant when he fought him. ward beating dawson is ten times better. both guys were drained but dawson was at least the reigning linear champ at 175. lacy wasn't even as good as berto or abraham. kessler is a good win but ward easily beat him. ward's resume is just better. bums really don't matter to me. especially when you are getting gift stoppages against most.

You're really going down the 'beating Dawson at 168' was better than Joe's whole resume? Really?

Man, I don't see a point in this debate any longer.

I can see it's a futile battle as I realize there's no way you can really see this subject objectively.

Take it easy.

[SouthPawHitman]

You're really going down the 'beating Dawson at 168' was better than Joe's whole resume? Really?

Man, I don't see a point in this debate any longer.

I can see it's a futile battle as I realize there's no way you can really see this subject objectively.

Take it easy.

You can't have a rational debate with daggum. He is clearly a little slow and probably a ****sexual.