Sonny Liston - great or ****e?

[Jarlaxle]

If the heavies in the 70s were as weak as the heavies in other decades Liston would be considered the greatest heavy ever. What he did to Patterson was just unearthly.

[butterfly1964]

thinking about it i realize i allways thought clay looked small for his weight, mean he weight bout the same as foreman and didnt look nearly as beef.

i think that's because of ali's massive back. i think muhammad's back carries alot of weight, that is why ali weighs more than he looks.

[butterfly1964]

alis victories over liston mean as much as tyson's over larry holmes both were well past their best and both didnt train for the fight , liston beat nobody of note afterwards holmes beat contenders mercer and mcall and gave the great prime holyfield a tough fight . If anything tysons victory over holmes means more as holmes proved he had a lot more left .

the hw's in the 80s pale in comparison to the hw's in the 60s.

[leff]

i think that's because of ali's massive back. i think muhammad's back carries alot of weight, that is why ali weighs more than he looks.

nah, i dont know, i think his back looks smaller than both listonb and foreman.

[blockhead]

What i dont understand about liston isa some people say he was slow and clumsy and others say he was quick and powerful . Which was it ? .

slow and clumsy. liston was highly over rated and he would take a dive for about thirty five cents if you asked him to.

[The_One77]

liston's handspeed was pretty damn good fool. if he was a slow puncher, then how come he ko'd patterson twice in one round?

thats because Patterson fought with him toe to toe, lol....Patterson don't have no chin, and weighed a hell of alot less than Liston.

[butterfly1964]

thats because Patterson fought with him toe to toe, lol....Patterson don't have no chin, and weighed a hell of alot less than Liston.

but my point is patterson is one of the fastest hw's of all time. doesn't matter if he has a weak chin or not, if liston put him away in one round, liston had to have had good hanspeed.

[butterfly1964]

slow and clumsy. liston was highly over rated and he would take a dive for about thirty five cents if you asked him to.

liston didn't care that much about boxing by the time clay fought him. in his prime he was a monster.

[Ascended]

Never been impressed its nothing to be impressed by way to slow sloopy easy to read looked as if he was learning to box

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Liston backed up Big George in sparring. Foreman has a much higher opinion of him and rightfully so. It was pretty hard to back up a prime George Foreman. Liston was in deep with the mob. Had he not been, he would have been champion for a long time. Clay gave him trouble, sure, but anyone who believes in the phantom punch is nuts. That was a dive, flat out. Just watch the film. The punch barely lands. Clay had him beat in the mental game for sure but it would take a truck to truly knock Liston out. If anything, Liston is vastly underrated.