Comments Thread For: Photos: Salido, Lomachenko Open San Antonio Workouts

[BennyST]

I have no clue as to what to think of this fight. Everyone is making Lomanchenko out to be the next coming of Ray Robinson.

Yeah, I'm baffled by it. He looks to be a good prospect, possibly great, but I see numerous flaws immediately that seem very obvious to me, that'll see him struggle in the pros, but then I wonder if I'm seeing stuff that's not there when everyone else ignores them and just raves.

I'll hold out any true judgement until, at the very least, after this fight. If he can beat Salido, that's certainly a top start, no matter how past it Salido might be.

[Mikhnienko]

Yeah, I'm baffled by it. He looks to be a good prospect, possibly great, but I see numerous flaws immediately that seem very obvious to me, that'll see him struggle in the pros, but then I wonder if I'm seeing stuff that's not there when everyone else ignores them and just raves.

I'll hold out any true judgement until, at the very least, after this fight. If he can beat Salido, that's certainly a top start, no matter how past it Salido might be.

You're definitely seeing stuff that's not there like his supposed T-Rex reach which is longer than 5'9 Robert Guerrero's.

[racostaa]

Rigo will be defying the winner. He just announced that he will not wait until july in Macau and he will be up to 126. He will do the same of Gamboa and will come up to the ring and say he will be facing the winner. So, unless Arum protect Lomachenko, he will have at most 2 undefeated fights.

[BennyST]

He's 5'7 with a 23" reach Donaire is 22", Robert Guerrero 22.5", Salido 23", Rigo 21.5" and demonstrated good power in his debut i really don't know where people get some of this stuff.



Since 2013 amateurs have been fighting without headgear which was the same time Lomachenko was in WSB.

Yeah, he's kind of just an average featherweight ie. I don't see him with any particular physical advantages, and certainly not enough to move up and be any great physical threat.

I think you miss my point though. He's fine. His height and reach is fine. However, for a young prospect starting out, he's not an imposing figure and doesn't hold any physical advantages. That's all.

I've watched a lot of him. He doesn't have anything resembling good power. Unless he can change that through technique over the coming years and just catching guys off guard with speed, he really isn't a natural puncher at all. Miguel Cotto has good power. Marquez has good power. Loma doesn't. Maybe he can change it, but everything I've seen indicates that he doesn't carry much one punch knockout power, if any. It would seem he can punch enough to get respect, he's not Paulie or anything, but he's also not going to be stopping top guys with one shot. Hopefully I'm wrong. I would rather be wrong than right.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Yeah, I'm baffled by it. He looks to be a good prospect, possibly great, but I see numerous flaws immediately that seem very obvious to me, that'll see him struggle in the pros, but then I wonder if I'm seeing stuff that's not there when everyone else ignores them and just raves.

I'll hold out any true judgement until, at the very least, after this fight. If he can beat Salido, that's certainly a top start, no matter how past it Salido might be.

To be fair, for a fighter in his pro debut, he didn't have many flaws at all. You have to take things into context.

Saying that, I can't imagine someone winning a title in their 2nd pro fight. Amazing if it happens but I'm rooting for my boy Salido.

[BennyST]

You're definitely seeing stuff that's not there like his supposed T-Rex reach which is longer than 5'9 Robert Guerrero's.

Well, I'm not looking at him through rose tinted glasses like you are mate. I'm not looking at him as if he's already godlike. I'm looking at him and trying to see a future great. I see things that are great, and others that are not.

You hear one little criticism and think I'm saying he's a piece of ****, not worthy of GOAT status and get all defensive. Stop being a girly fanboy. Man up. We're not talking about Bieber and you're not a 13 year old girl, so stop acting like one.

I'm trying to look at him as a potential future star and P4P number 1, which is what guys like you are already chalking him up to be in no time at all. What I'm saying is that for a prospect, who might need to move up one day, maybe more than one division, he doesn't have any great physical advantages. I certainly didn't say he's tiny with short arms. He's just average. That's fine, it's just not a tick in his favour.

Let's wait and see on the power thing. You think he's got world class power? Fair enough. We'll see.

[Mikhnienko]

Yeah, he's kind of just an average featherweight ie. I don't see him with any particular physical advantages, and certainly not enough to move up and be any great physical threat.

I think you miss my point though. He's fine. His height and reach is fine. However, for a young prospect starting out, he's not an imposing figure and doesn't hold any physical advantages. That's all.

I've watched a lot of him. He doesn't have anything resembling good power. Unless he can change that through technique over the coming years and just catching guys off guard with speed, he really isn't a natural puncher at all. Miguel Cotto has good power. Marquez has good power. Loma doesn't. Maybe he can change it, but everything I've seen indicates that he doesn't carry much one punch knockout power, if any. It would seem he can punch enough to get respect, he's not Paulie or anything, but he's also not going to be stopping top guys with one shot. Hopefully I'm wrong. I would rather be wrong than right.

I really have no clue why that you would place so much emphasis on dimensions unless it was really noticable like with GRJ's reach. Lomachenko's dimensions are slightly above average but thats far less significant than his athleticism and coordination which are very good and almost inconsequential compared to a boxers skill.

If you have watched so much of him than i don't understand your poor impression on his power. In the 2011 World Championships he knocked down 5 of his 6 opponents and this was when fighting against bigger guys like Top Rank prospect Jose Ramirez who is 5"10 and made his debut at 140lbs or Toledo who is now at 140. Routinely knocking down world class opposition in the amatuers is rare, Golovkin didn't do it, but Lomachenko did and people seem to ignore this fact.

[BennyST]

To be fair, for a fighter in his pro debut, he didn't have many flaws at all. You have to take things into context.

Saying that, I can't imagine someone winning a title in their 2nd pro fight. Amazing if it happens but I'm rooting for my boy Salido.

Yeah, absolutely, but how long does it take us to learn to look past debuts to what's really there. I always take early debuts etc with a big grain of salt now, because way, way too often guys look great and they just don't make it. The signs were there all along, but people just ignore them. They don't show up much, because they're fighting to their strengths against cans, not having weaknesses shown up by better opposition.

So I always try to see what possible struggles they could eventually have with top fighters.

I dunno. I see a certain champion at some point, but right now, I don't see a future P4P number one and possible ATG. I just don't.

I'll be more than happy to eat my words if he blows through Salido in only his second fight. I've seen similar stuff done before, so it still won't tell me what I keep hearing him to be completely. That'll only come later.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I have no clue as to what to think of this fight. Everyone is making Lomanchenko out to be the next coming of Ray Robinson.

I'm really looking forward to this fight, bro. I don't know what to think, either. I believe Lomo is a major prospect, but that Salido is a real tall order for a newbie pro...any newbie pro. I'm rooting for Vasyl to have a great career; then again, I have a soft-spot for ""Siri." I'm on the fence in every way in this one.

[BennyST]

I really have no clue why that you would place so much emphasis on dimensions unless it was really noticable like with GRJ's reach. Lomachenko's dimensions are slightly above average but thats far less significant than his athleticism and coordination which are very good and almost inconsequential compared to a boxers skill.

If you have watched so much of him than i don't understand your poor impression on his power. In the 2011 World Championships he knocked down 5 of his 6 opponents and this was when fighting against bigger guys like Top Rank prospect Jose Ramirez who is 5"10 and made his debut at 140lbs or Toledo who is now at 140. Routinely knocking down world class opposition in the amatuers is rare, Golovkin didn't do it, but Lomachenko did and people seem to ignore this fact.

Argh!

I don't think he has poor power, just like I don't think he has short arms. I don't think he has good, world class power. There is a very big difference. I look at him as a sharp accumulation type puncher at the moment. A little like Gary Russell.

His athleticism is why I don't think it's going to be much of a disadvantage. It's just not an advantage for him.

Look, I'm playing devils advocate to people, a lot of people, that are saying huge, massive things about this guy. What I'm saying is that for the potential people are already throwing onto him, you have to look at everything. He has stuff in his favour, but he does have things that aren't even close to what people are making him out to be already. People are saying he has eve thing, already. That's absurd. Complete bull****. We don't know yet at all. No one does. Not his trainer, not his dad, and not us.

We cannot tell, ever, until he's been in the ring against top world class pro opposition. When small things become huge and the difference in being good and great. We can look at what the possibilities are that'll get taken advantage of when he fights great fighters, and for a guy that's jumping up to fight solid old, veteran champions already, we have to look at what he has right now.