Does not fighting the best in your era in thir primes exclude u from being the best..

[arraamis]

Floyd gets penalized because he had taken it very easy for many years, so when he is fighting people will expect him to push the envelope a bit more to make up ground. If you don't fight regularly then you are going have to be visibly do something to make up for it, that's the trade off im afraid.
The fact that Miguel is trying to beat Sergio says so much about the courage people wish Floyd had. If Floyd fought he could beat Sergio he would do it, its not about having to fight Sergio. People shouldn't have to force Floyd in being great if he don't want to be.

No it don't apply to Pac as he has paid his dues with his warrior mentality for the last 7 years, not taking it easy like Floyd. Hes won more titles in more weight classes as well as having fought more, so why would anyone ask Pac to fight Sergio, other than he is held to higher standards?
. So Pac can put his feet up now actually like FLoyd likes doing.
Hes at least fighting a p4p next in Bradley that Floyd should be fighting.

Now I understand, "ILLOGICAL" smfh!

[hugh grant]

Floyd isn't the best as he thinks all you have to do is fight someone coming off of a win and looked quite good.

Floyd doesn't actually fight the best fighters like Pac and Miguel are now doing.

[shade darkar]

Floyd isn't the best as he thinks all you have to do is fight someone coming off of a win and looked quite good.

Floyd doesn't actually fight the best fighters like Pac and Miguel are now doing.

bradley aint the best. the only reason this rematch is happening is because of incompetent judges. also, he is very very lucky he doesnt have a tko1 loss to provodnikov. had that been a different ref, it could well have been stopped because bradley was all over the place.

[SplitSecond]

bradley aint the best. the only reason this rematch is happening is because of incompetent judges. also, he is very very lucky he doesnt have a tko1 loss to provodnikov. had that been a different ref, it could well have been stopped because bradley was all over the place.

i dont know about any ref stopping it in the first but, i think bradley was very lucky the ref didn't score alot of his stumbling around as a knockdown, the first round provo really did not nudge him much at all for it not to be called a knockdown, and after the fall that made it clear bradley was hurt he should have started counting, that would have made the fight a draw, and in my opinion the fight was easy to score

and then there was the left hook that put bradley's butt on the ropes, he literally would have fell straight down if he hadn't sat on the rope, other refs could have scored that a knockdown also

[techliam]

You've applied some strange, flawed and omitting logic to your post ...

Since, Floyd and Arum had their falling out and the Floyd submitted lawsuit against TR .... They have not co-promoted a fight together, nor has Floyd fought a single contracted Top Rank fighter ... Not one!

So, how does Margarito, Pac, Bradley fit into that scenario?
They don't get to fight Floyd while they're contracted to TR ... Period!!!

These are actual facts .... not the manufactured BS guys on forums spew with no real substantive knowledge of the situation.

Now how does Sergio fit in this conversation?
Sergio is a Middleweight .... Why and by what illogical means does a WW get penalized for not fighting a MW?!?!

And since most guys here want to apply this bizarre viewpoint to Floyd - Can it also be applied to Pac, Bradley etc...

Last I checked, its NOT mandatory, nor a requirement that a fighter moves up in weight to be considered great ..... In fact, there are numerous HOF'ers that never fought outside their weight class. So that argument is just as as the manufactured ducking events haters spew constantly, having no knowledge of the actual facts.

IMHO and to date:

Pac
Floyd
Sergio
Cotto
Hatton

Are all HOF greats of Boxing ......... And I bet that each and everyone of them makes it in.

Ok, since you have this big thing for 'logic', then let's try logically reply to it. Your point about TR fighters and Floyd is sound. However, just because there was this 'beef' going on, doesn't mean it doesn't affect Floyd's legacy. He may not have ducked them, but he didn't fight them... we can't award fantasy wins here. We can only judge him on what he has achieved.

I think there's pretty decent logic in the lineal light middleweight champion fighting the lineal middleweight champion, at either weight or a catchweight or whatever. It makes far more sense then choosing between Khan and Maidana.

Can it be applied to Bradley and Pacquiao? Sure, if you feel they should be held to the same standards as the pound-for-pound consensus best in the sport. I don't agree with that one.

Sure it isn't mandatory to move up in weight. But how can you apply the logic of 'not having to' to someone who has made his name from jumping the weight classes? Can't see how that's logical. If you're as good as Floyd is, he has such a good chance of beating Martinez at 160, perhaps solidifying his own claims of being 'the greatest'.

As for the original question, 'does not fighting the best in your era, in their primes, exclude you from being the best?', I think I already answered it - we can only judge from what they have achieved. I think it's pretty rare for someone to not have fought the best yet fit the label..

[shade darkar]

i dont know about any ref stopping it in the first but, i think bradley was very lucky the ref didn't score alot of his stumbling around as a knockdown, the first round provo really did not nudge him much at all for it not to be called a knockdown, and after the fall that made it clear bradley was hurt he should have started counting, that would have made the fight a draw, and in my opinion the fight was easy to score

and then there was the left hook that put bradley's butt on the ropes, he literally would have fell straight down if he hadn't sat on the rope, other refs could have scored that a knockdown also

yeah im not saying it should or it shouldnt have been stopped. a KD was the minimum that he should have got. however i do think some refs would have stopped it. the guy that refereed froch groves or maybe the guy that refereed tszyu vs judah?

[Robbie Barrett]

Floyd isn't the best as he thinks all you have to do is fight someone coming off of a win and looked quite good.

Floyd doesn't actually fight the best fighters like Pac and Miguel are now doing.

If Bradley wasn't with Arum Mayweather would have fought him straight after the "win" over Pacquiao. No doubt in my mind.

[Holywarrior]

bradley aint the best. the only reason this rematch is happening is because of incompetent judges. also, he is very very lucky he doesnt have a tko1 loss to provodnikov. had that been a different ref, it could well have been stopped because bradley was all over the place.

I agree. I think Bradley is getting a little overrated now. He nearly died against Provodnikov, who isn't "all" that. Beating Alvarado isn't that special.

[techliam]

I agree. I think Bradley is getting a little overrated now. He nearly died against Provodnikov, who isn't "all" that. Beating Alvarado isn't that special.

I guess we have to devalue the Pacquiao-Bradley fight somehow.... after all it is Pacquiao...

[Holywarrior]

Also Robinson was soundly thrashed by Ralph Jones and never rematched him. Just because a fighter is clearly the best of his day doesn't make him better than fighters of a different time. There is no way to know for sure.

Very true. He did beat Gavilan though, which for Robinson is probably his best win. Burley still would've been a better win though.