Does not fighting the best in your era in thir primes exclude u from being the best..

[Chuckguy]

Based ok skill Floyd is off the grid but unfortunately for him that isn't how the greatest is judged.
Fact is that Floyd has ducked his biggest challenges in his career. Take the margarita fight. Floyd should have been able to pick him apart but no way he would knock him out and Tonys relentless pressure would have made it sper interesting. But floydie decided to duck him.
He has no problem fighting his previous 30 something fights with no extra testing then PAC comes up and all of a sudden he asks for extra testing. Blatant duck! The sad part is that Floyd would probably beat them all but he is too afraid to take the risk

[arraamis]

Based ok skill Floyd is off the grid but unfortunately for him that isn't how the greatest is judged.
Fact is that Floyd has ducked his biggest challenges in his career. Take the margarita fight. Floyd should have been able to pick him apart but no way he would knock him out and Tonys relentless pressure would have made it sper interesting. But floydie decided to duck him.
He has no problem fighting his previous 30 something fights with no extra testing then PAC comes up and all of a sudden he asks for extra testing. Blatant duck! The sad part is that Floyd would probably beat them all but he is too afraid to take the risk

Guys, not to defend Floyd here, but the same misstated illusions of reality just never end here on NSB.

Floyd didn't duck Margarito ... At the time he was in negotiations\setting up a career-defining fight with ODLH. Who wouldn't bypass an ARUM promoted fighter (hint!) to fight ODLH for mega-millions.

[Simurgh]

here..........


Ali left no doubt as to who was the best

Sugar Ray Robisson left no doubt as to who was the best

Lennox lewis left plenty of doubt

Mayweather will leave doubt since pacman may already be passed it.

There is the idea that avoiding the best of your era till they are past prime or in total is the smart thing to do, but is it really? Doesn't it just disqualify you from being the best of all time since there is still doubt in your own era let alone in the eras of yesteryear.

Who did Lennox avoid? He was clearly the best in his generation. He beat them all.

[hugh grant]

Someone like Floyd who doesnt fight Sergio but lets someone he already beat in Miguel fight Sergio, like Miguel is doing.
People have been asking Floyd to fight Sergio, people haven't been asking Miguel to fight Sergio. Miguel couldn't beat Pac or Floyd so it would have been cruel to ask Miguel to fight Sergio, yet here we have Miguel and Sergio.

That's a reflection on Floyds whole career, so Floyd cant be anywhere near the best, and he isn't. He is content on fighting the maidanas of this world, rather than fight a higher rated fighter like Bradley, Garcia and Pac.

In fact Pac will have beaten Bradley twice before FLoyd contemplates fighting Bradley, that's the story of Floyds career.

[big_james10]

here..........


Ali left no doubt as to who was the best

Sugar Ray Robisson left no doubt as to who was the best

Lennox lewis left plenty of doubt

Mayweather will leave doubt since pacman may already be passed it.

There is the idea that avoiding the best of your era till they are past prime or in total is the smart thing to do, but is it really? Doesn't it just disqualify you from being the best of all time since there is still doubt in your own era let alone in the eras of yesteryear.

Your logic is flawed. Simply fighting the best fighters in your era at your weight class does not necessarily mean anything. Sugar Ray Robinson fought all the best fighters available in his era -- some of them multiple times --but he did it because he wanted to make money and not because of some misguided attempt to establish his legacy with fans 50 years after his death. He also lost numerous fights to those best fighters that he faced. So, are you saying that fighting the best makes you the best, even if you lose numerous times? Muhammed Ali fought the best fighters available during his prime, but during three years of his prime he did not fight at all. Because he didn't fight for three years during his prime, does that mean that his legacy and reputation was ruined? Also, he lost Joe Frazier and won a disputed decision against Ken Norton. Does losing to the best mean he wasn't the best of his era or one of the best all time?

Sugar Ray Leonard fought Duran, Hearns, Hagler and Benitez. However, he avoided Aaron Pryor like the plague and Pryor, arguably, was better than all four of these guys. Does avoiding Pryor mean SRL isn't among the best?

You seem to imply that, because Mayweather took two years off and was not able to make a fight with Pacquaio, it is Mayweather's fault that he didnt' fight Pacquaio or Margarito or Cotto when Cotto was alleged in his prime at 147. This is total nonsense. At no point in history of boxing prior to now has there been a cold war between competing promoters or competing television networks which has resulted in the problems that we have today in boxing.

Yet, in spite of this, you seem hell bent on blaming everything on Floyd Mayweather and nothing on Bob Arum or the networks or Pacquaio for turning down the first fight or Cotto for not fighting Mayweather at 140.

Your logic is not only flawed, it is absolutely ridiculous

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Floyd fans need to just accept that he doesnt have nearly the same beef on his resume as Ali, SRR, SRL, Duran, and many others. Get over it, its not the end of the world and it doesnt make him "bad" in any way. A lot of it is a result of the current landscape of the sport.

[big_james10]

The moderator of this forum has already stated that no one should creating any new Floyd Mayweather threads under threat of banishment. So, what does this TS do? He creates a thread that does not specifically focus on Floyd Mayweather in an attempt to do an end-run around this rule. I hope this TS and all others who try this crap are banned because I am sick of seeing this crap.

I also hope that the moderator will set up this forum so that he will have to approve all threads before they are posted. That will prevent this type of garbage from being posted day in and day out.

[arraamis]

Someone like Floyd who doesnt fight Sergio but lets someone he already beat in Miguel fight Sergio, like Miguel is doing.
People have been asking Floyd to fight Sergio, people haven't been asking Miguel to fight Sergio. Miguel couldn't beat Pac or Floyd so it would have been cruel to ask Miguel to fight Sergio, yet here we have Miguel and Sergio.

That's a reflection on Floyds whole career, so Floyd cant be anywhere near the best, and he isn't. He is content on fighting the maidanas of this world, rather than fight a higher rated fighter like Bradley, Garcia and Pac.

In fact Pac will have beaten Bradley twice before FLoyd contemplates fighting Bradley, that's the story of Floyds career.

You've applied some strange, flawed and omitting logic to your post ...

Since, Floyd and Arum had their falling out and the Floyd submitted lawsuit against TR .... They have not co-promoted a fight together, nor has Floyd fought a single contracted Top Rank fighter ... Not one!

So, how does Margarito, Pac, Bradley fit into that scenario?
They don't get to fight Floyd while they're contracted to TR ... Period!!!

These are actual facts .... not the manufactured BS guys on forums spew with no real substantive knowledge of the situation.

Now how does Sergio fit in this conversation?
Sergio is a Middleweight .... Why and by what illogical means does a WW get penalized for not fighting a MW?!?!

And since most guys here want to apply this bizarre viewpoint to Floyd - Can it also be applied to Pac, Bradley etc...

Last I checked, its NOT mandatory, nor a requirement that a fighter moves up in weight to be considered great ..... In fact, there are numerous HOF'ers that never fought outside their weight class. So that argument is just as as the manufactured ducking events haters spew constantly, having no knowledge of the actual facts.

IMHO and to date:

Pac
Floyd
Sergio
Cotto
Hatton

Are all HOF greats of Boxing ......... And I bet that each and everyone of them makes it in.

[hugh grant]

Now how does Sergio fit in this conversation?
Sergio is a Middleweight .... Why and by what illogical means does a WW get penalized for not fighting a MW?!?!

And since most guys here want to apply this bizarre viewpoint to Floyd - Can it also be applied to Pac, Bradley etc...Last I checked, its NOT mandatory, nor a requirement that a fighter moves up in weight to be considered great ..... In fact, there are numerous HOF'ers that never fought outside their weight class. So that argument is just as as the manufactured ducking events haters spew constantly, having no knowledge of the actual facts.

IMHO and to date:

Pac
Floyd
Sergio
Cotto
Hatton

Are all HOF greats of Boxing ......... And I bet that each and everyone of them makes it in.

Floyd gets penalized because he had taken it very easy for many years, so when he is fighting people will expect him to push the envelope a bit more to make up ground. If you don't fight regularly then you are going have to be visibly do something to make up for it, that's the trade off im afraid.
The fact that Miguel is trying to beat Sergio says so much about the courage people wish Floyd had. If Floyd fought he could beat Sergio he would do it, its not about having to fight Sergio. People shouldn't have to force Floyd in being great if he don't want to be.

No it don't apply to Pac as he has paid his dues with his warrior mentality for the last 7 years, not taking it easy like Floyd. Hes won more titles in more weight classes as well as having fought more, so why would anyone ask Pac to fight Sergio, other than he is held to higher standards?
. So Pac can put his feet up now actually like FLoyd likes doing.
Hes at least fighting a p4p next in Bradley that Floyd should be fighting.

[J The UnBiased]

Floyd fans need to just accept that he doesnt have nearly the same beef on his resume as Ali, SRR, SRL, Duran, and many others. Get over it, its not the end of the world and it doesnt make him "bad" in any way. A lot of it is a result of the current landscape of the sport.

who here has objected that? I don't know any Floyd fan who claimed his resume was on par with that of an Ali, Duran, SRR, SRL.