Could Lomachencko topple SRR as the no 1 ATG?

[CubanGuyNYC]

So Rigo ain't a ATG.

And SRR beat around 20 top fighters.

Rigo is not an ATG. And, sadly, he may never get the chance to exercise that potential. He started his pro career too late, and his activity is too low. He would have to fight like five times a year, versus awesome competition, in order to even have a chance. It's not happening. He's 33 already, in a division where fighters get old quick. Guillermo might have three or four good years left, if he's lucky.

Do you see Lomo beating 20 top fighters in, say, the ten or so years he has left in him? He would have to fight at least four times a year to even make that possible. Guys just don't do that anymore. There was a time when men like Robinson fought four times in two months.

[D4thincarnation]

Rigo is not an ATG. And, sadly, he may never get the chance to exercise that potential. He started his pro career too late, and his activity is too low. He would have to fight like five times a year, versus awesome competition, in order to even have a chance. It's not happening. He's 33 already, in a division where fighters get old quick. Guillermo might have three or four good years left, if he's lucky.

Do you see Lomo beating 20 top fighters in, say, the ten or so years he has left in him? He would have to fight at least four times a year to even make that possible. Guys just don't do that anymore. There was a time when men like Robinson fought four times in two months.

Against very mediocre opponents. Lets face it top sparring partner are tougher fights than many of them.

3 fights a year 2 of them against the cream, will put him their.

Do you consider Donaire an ATG?

[D4thincarnation]

A list of SRR fights against quality opponents.



7/41: Sammy Angott (#1 LW) @ 135
10/41: Fritzie Zivic (#3 WW)
01/42: Fritzie Zivic (#3 WW)
03/42: Norman Rubio (#10 WW)
07/42: Sammy Angott (LW Champ) @ 147
08/42: Tony Mutisi (#9 WW)
10/42: Jake LaMotta (#6 MW)
10/42: Izzy Jannazzo (#8 WW)
12/42: Izzy Jannazzo (#8 WW)
02/43: Jake LaMotta (#2 MW)
02/43: Jackie Wilson (#3 WW)
02/43: Jake LaMotta (#2 MW)
08/43: Henry Armstrong (#1 WW 1944)
10/44: Izzy Jannazaro (#8 WW)
09/45: Jake LaMotta (#2 MW)
03/46: Sammy Angott (#8 WW)
12/46: Tommy Bell (World WW Championship)
05/47: Georgie Abrams (#5 MW)
06/47: Jimmy Doyle (#7 WW)
06/48: Bernard Docusen (#3 WW)
09/48: Kid Gavilan (#1 WW) @ 150+
07/49: Kid Gavilan (#1 WW)
08/49: Steve Belloise (#2 MW)
04/50: Ray Barnes (#7 MW)
06/50: Robert Villemain (#3 MW)
08/50: Charley Fusari (#3 WW)
02/51: Jake LaMotta (World MW Champion)
07/51: Randy Turpin (#1 MW)
09/51: Randy Turpin (World MW Champion)
03/52: Carl Olson (#2 MW)
04/52: Rocky Graziano (#10 MW)
06/52: Joey Maxim (World LHW Champion)
07/55: Ralph Castellani (#2 MW)
12/55: Carl Olson (World MW Champion)
05/56: Carl Olson (#1 MW)
01/57: Gene Fullmer (#1 MW)
05/57: Gene Fullmer (World MW Champion)
09/57: Carmen Basilio
03/58: Carmen Basilio (World MW Champion)


Quite a few duplicates and a few losses as well.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Against very mediocre opponents. Lets face it top sparring partner are tougher fights than many of them.

3 fights a year 2 of them against the cream, will put him their.

Do you consider Donaire an ATG?

I don't think Donaire will ever be an ATG.

Do you think it's realistic to expect Lomo to fight two "cream of the crop" fighters a year for the rest of his career? And even if he did, are they likely to rank him above SRR? No.

[ElMeroChingon]

Rigo is not an ATG. .

Yeah, Especially when Rigo has boxing fans jumping out of their seats and leaving arenas

[D4thincarnation]

I don't think Donaire will ever be an ATG.

Do you think it's realistic to expect Lomo to fight two "cream of the crop" fighters a year for the rest of his career? And even if he did, are they likely to rank him above SRR? No.

What do you class as an ATG and how many of them did SRR fight. List them.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Yeah, Especially when Rigo has boxing fans jumping out of their seats and leaving arenas

What're you, following me around Boxingscene? Get the fuck away from me, bitch.

[CubanGuyNYC]

What do you class as an ATG and how many of them did SRR fight. List them.

Geez, bro.... An ATG is a boxer who has an extensive resume of wins over other great fighters, often other ATGs and HOFers. Their quality is always outstanding over their contemporaries and favorable amongst their historical peers.

Ray beat guys like Armstrong (the likes of which Lomo will never see), Gavilan (another guy Vasyl isn't likely to see someone like) and LaMotta. There are HOFers like Olson, Basilio and Fullmer that Robinson has wins over. These are just some of the names that stand out amongst many other quality fighters. The fights Ray lost were mostly late in his very long career.

[BigAlexSand]

Seems like a lot of NSB can't understand hypotheticals.

A hypothetical question taking place where you question if a boxer could be as great as Sugar Ray Robinson... is down right unrealistic this day and age and down right disrespectful to the man Sugar Ray Robinson putting his name with someone with 1 pro fight. ..

[ßringer]

I'm not even going to attempt to read through 8 full pages of this ********ery.

All I can say is LOL.