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  • Pocket Dogs!
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    #41
    Originally posted by Hougigo
    Wasnt he busted by his teammates and shit like that?
    Years after the fact.
    ANd if it was USADA administering the test.... what does that say?
    Lance was busted because USADA had sworn testimonies from Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton, Betsy and Frankie Andreu, George Hincapie, and others. It was either get 6 months in prison or admit Lance was cheating. It turned criminal because when Lance won his 7 Tour de France yellow shirts, he was on the United States Postal Service team and the people who paid Lance's checks were actual taxpayers.

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    • ShoulderRoll
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      #42
      USADA is the gold standard of testing. Robert Garcia is simply confirming that.

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      • Chuckguy
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        #43
        Does it really matter? U have people crying on this site for better testing then they ask for it and you still cry that it's not vada. And if a fighter lik JMM were to use vada or both and come out clean thn you would still cry that memo know how to beat the system!

        So seriously does it really matter?

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        • radioraheem
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          #44
          Originally posted by JustinFloyd
          hmmm, USADA did not caught Lance... They NEVER caught him.
          They did catch Lance Armstrong, but it happened much much later than it should have because Armstrong was very good at cheating. He has even failed tests a decade ago, but he always got out of it (like by bribing doctors to illegally write a fake prescription).


          Originally posted by turnedup
          These people must think we are dumb. I'm no genius but China has no standard in chemical protocol for its dish washing liquid much less anything else...so most dishwashing liquid is phosphate based, Robert means to tell us that out of thousands of glasses in a casino that go through two stages of sterilization would have trace amounts of DMMA? Because this is such a common thing to use right, like a lipton tea bags or something. This dude is either naive or he refuses to accept the truth. Your guy looked like he was struggling to make weight, 24/7 shows he has no self control when it comes to food and I quote Brandon speaking to his wife during a trip home after training camp "You not gonna fry anything up with it?" when his wife tells him she made a healthy meal.

          Difference between the two companies?

          Usada lets you pick what gets tested for...winky wright stated this years ago.

          Vada is one test for everything but it's associated with Conte and that is it's biggest downfall.

          If a container is contaminated it can result in false positives. So the tests can reveal it was drug A, even though it's not even a drug. I don't really believe this was the case though. But VADA's unprofessionalism opened this type of accusations.

          USADA doesn't let you pick what you tested for, and Winky Wright never said that either. But yes, VADA's biggest downfall is it's association with Victor Conte.

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          • radioraheem
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            #45
            Originally posted by bojangles1987
            You do realize Lance Armstrong was not busted by a dirty test USADA administered, right?
            Originally posted by Stallion_
            USADA never caught Lance Armstrong. They actually didn't want to even if they could.
            Originally posted by Hougigo
            Wasnt he busted by his teammates and shit like that?
            Years after the fact.
            ANd if it was USADA administering the test.... what does that say?
            USADA had been su****ious of Armstrong for a long time. He also has failed a few tests before too (which many incorrectly say he never failed). But again, Armstrong would get out of the situation back then through fake prescriptions, ducking tests, etc.

            When some of his teammates came forward about Armstrong (after they themselves were caught for a failed test), that's when they started learning a lot more about the details. Who cheated, how they cheated, etc. USADA also re-tested samples of Armstrong, and it confirmed drugs.

            The problem was it comes way after the fact. Way after he became a household name and super millions of dollars later. But he was good, very good.

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            • sergey.smith
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              #46
              I don't care for Garcia but if what he is saying his true, VADA is very unprofessional and cannot be trusted. A lot of people don't care for VADA including Athletic commissions. However, I heard USADA is a lot more expensive.

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              • radioraheem
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                #47
                Originally posted by Rust Cohle
                The problem with this statement is that the people taking samples from Rios don't work in the same company that does the samples for Pacquiao. They wouldn't know if the other boxer was being tested because another third party company was taking samples from Pacquiao. The company taking samples from Rios was from California while the company taking samples from Pacquiao was from Germany.
                This is true. But while this is true, whatever third party VADA uses, is quite unprofessional. Because it wasn't just California where VADA was found testing Rios unprofessionally, but it also happened in China. So that would make for 2 separate parties taking samples unprofessionally.

                And if you disbelieve, check out these two clips. One is Rios getting tested in the U.S., and the other in China. Both clips are questionable, with the China version is being the worse, as they got Rios literally standing out in public peeing right in front of the ring. The China clip begins with him pissing.



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                • flipbjefrox
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by JustinFloyd
                  Donaire taking VADA all year round and its been for few years now and we dont hear Garcia complaining about it coz Donaire is clean... suddenly Garcia changes tune when one of his fighter caught by VADA! ****ing clown!
                  This buy maybe because doanire eats jollibee not McDonald

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by MikeRo1972
                    Of course Garcia doesn't like VADA. VADA actually busts dirty fighters and doesn't report to the promoter. Their test results go straight to the commissions. Garcia is so ignorant on the topic of PED testing. He's like a chick with a cheating boyfriend. Instead if getting mad at the cheating man she gets angry at the other chick. Direct your anger at Ariza and your ****** doping fighter, not VADA. Dummy.
                    Dayum.. and you have Mikey as one of your top 5!! Gotta respct that, holding no punches even for trainers of fighters your backing. Go' head bro!

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                    • solo20
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Rust Cohle
                      The problem with this statement is that the people taking samples from Rios don't work in the same company that does the samples for Pacquiao. They wouldn't know if the other boxer was being tested because another third party company was taking samples from Pacquiao. The company taking samples from Rios was from California while the company taking samples from Pacquiao was from Germany.
                      and that is the problem nobody knows NOTHING and how many videos do they have of Pac taking the test
                      Last edited by solo20; 02-17-2014, 05:23 PM.

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