Did Pac duck Shane in 09?

[jimboinbigd]

my fave part of that is.....floyds trying, genuinely, to make the pac fight....it falls through yet pac miraculously has another fight and stadium ready to go with clottey....so floyd is like "**** what am i gonna do"....cause shane/berto was already signed and ready to go.....then floyds like "**** i need shane"......if the earthquake in haiti never happened im willing to bet berto would have come down with an "injury".....berto got some step aside money for sure

Yep. Arum couldn't end and run away from the Floyd negotiations fast enough to get to that bunk Clottey fight that bombed on ppv and at the box office. If this dorsnt raise red flags, nothing will.

And yes, Berto ended up getting step aside money to walk away from the Shane fight to make room for Floyd and the situation in Haiti offered the perfect cover.

Lots of these kids on this site now are either in denial of all of this stuff or they were too young at time to use their parents computers to know what was going down but its all available on the internet for those interested in the truth.

[HeroBando]

I can't believe people are actually trying to make excuses for Manny ducking Mosley in 09. Mosley said he would even fight at the CW and they still declined. Mosley was practically begging for the fight and they go on to fight Cotto even though BOTH Manny and Roach out of their own mouths said they thought Cotto lost his fight with Clottey... Roach out of his own mouth said he didn't want the fight because Mosley was too "good" and too "strong". Hard to take people serious on this forum. I mean people were shocked when Floyd stepped up to fight him. Even Arum said that Floyd would never fight Mosley right after they made excuses for Manny not to fight him. But now all of a sudden people want to forget that Manny did pick and choose his opponents at 147. Floyd did it and Manny did it but they want to give Manny a pass.

Dude Pac wasnt even a welter. He was coming up in weight to his 7th division, and picked elite welter Cotto instead, a lot better than picking Sharmba Mitchell going up to your 4th division

[HeroBando]

Yep. Arum couldn't end and run away from the Floyd negotiations fast enough to get to that bunk Clottey fight that bombed on ppv and at the box office. If this dorsnt raise red flags, nothing will.

And yes, Berto ended up getting step aside money to walk away from the Shane fight to make room for Floyd and the situation in Haiti offered the perfect cover.

Lots of these kids on this site now are either in denial of all of this stuff or they were too young at time to UAE their parents computers to know what was going down but its all available on the internet for those interested in the truth.

Why did Floyd go on a lengthy low key vacation couple of months after Clottey, after Pac finished his first run for congress?

[DrOfStyleSlick]

Dude Pac wasnt even a welter. He was coming up in weight to his 7th division, and picked elite welter Cotto instead, a lot better than picking Sharmba Mitchell going up to your 4th division

wait didnt he pick that "elite" welter in oscar first? the oscar who hadnt fought at welter in like 7 years? that was before cotto right? heck that was before hatton to

[Grimgash]

He did....Roach even said it.

[NearHypnos]

I wouldnt say Pac so much as his team did. Lets be real... If you manage/promote a slightly smaller come forward fighter do you put him in against someone who just obliterated the perceived terminator? Hell no they dont. Cotto and Shane were about even in terms of name people saying Cotto was a "much better option" are delusional. Mosley was indisputably the man at 147 at the time. He looked so good people wanted him to fight Floyd. You know someone looks good when they want him to cause that kind of harm to mayweather lol.


Anyway, Cotto was a good fight (catchweight but ehh... What's new? It was still a good fight). Honestly though is it even a duck if Roach himself says Shane is "too good"? That's borderline duck or just plain honestly thinking Pac wasnt physically ready for that type of matchup.

No shame in admitting your fighter might not be ready for someone... Stylistically, Shane at his best is a nightmare against anyone who comes forward because of how well he can box, his speed-explosiveness and huge power at 147 along with his ferocity and atg chin. I dont want to justify it but Cotto was a better matchup for Pac and considered the weaker of the two especially with the big beating he had taken vs Marg and his vulnerability vs Clottey. Let's not get it twisted because Cotto WAS a good fight and one we all wanted. Honestly as fans we couldnt have gone wrong with either and Pacs team felt he had a better shot vs Cotto and Shane presented more risk or an unknown factor. Think TR wanted any part of Shane after Marg (the man hyped as the terminator)?


Shane calls his own shots, nobody needs to use the TR excuse.

[jimboinbigd]

Why did Floyd go on a lengthy low key vacation couple of months after Clottey, after Pac finished his first run for congress?

Mayweather had only been fighting once per year going all the way back to 2008 when he retired after the Hatton fight. He said he was going to retire after de la hoya but fought Hatton, but then did retire for a while until he got in trouble with the IRS then came back and fought Marquez in what was supposed to be a tune up for Pac in 2009 but that fell through so he took the next toughest fight in Shane. After that, neither Pac nor Floyd or their camps entered into serious negotiations again until Floyd offered Manny 40 million over the phone.

I think Pac and Arum ducked the first negotiations and I think they've all been guilty of the fight not happening since. Arum should let Pac out of his contract for one fight so Manny and Floyd can do what Floyd and Cotto did. I have no doubt the fight would happen if Arum wasn't involved.

[daggum]

Mayweather had only been fighting once per year going all the way back to 2008 when he retired after the Hatton fight. He said he was going to retire after de la hoya but fought Hatton, but then did retire for a while until he got in trouble with the IRS then came back and fought Marquez in what was supposed to be a tune up for Pac in 2009 but that fell through so he took the next toughest fight in Shane. After that, neither Pac nor Floyd or their camps entered into serious negotiations again until Floyd offered Manny 40 million over the phone.

I think Pac and Arum ducked the first negotiations and I think they've all been guilty of the fight not happening since. Arum should let Pac out of his contract for one fight so Manny and Floyd can do what Floyd and Cotto did. I have no doubt the fight would happen if Arum wasn't involved.

floyd's the one that keeps changing his demands but sure it was everyone! why didn't floyd just agree to what he wanted? is that so hard? to agree to what you yourself just wanted. fu-cks sakes. does he have a split-personality or something. he wants something then when he gets it, he wants more. yeah he so would have fought pac if pac only agreed sooner! how convenient! we tested how floyd reacted when pac agreed to those same negotiations and floyd ran, yet you are expecting a different result for some strange reason. you are the worlds worse scientist

why would arum let pac out of his contract? so he could make zero dollars? and you are probably one of the floyd only fights whoever makes him the most money, boxing is a business people. i guess it's only a business for floyd. for arum its charity work.

[IronDanHamza]

Does there need to be a feud for a promoter to pick his fighters that are equally capable opponent since he beat Mosley and who had a title and it was Manny's first true test against a WW? Most thought that Cotto was too much.

Much better than selecting Marquez for Floyd ..... there are interviews where Floyd said no to a Mosley fight and you guys went on protecting that. Where was Marquez ranked at the time at WW? At JWW?

Right but that isn't what you were saying You were using the feud as an excuse except there wasn't a feud then. It's that simple.

The rest of your post is just an attempt at deflection.

[daggum]

Mayweather had only been fighting once per year going all the way back to 2008 when he retired after the Hatton fight. He said he was going to retire after de la hoya but fought Hatton, but then did retire for a while until he got in trouble with the IRS then came back and fought Marquez in what was supposed to be a tune up for Pac in 2009 but that fell through so he took the next toughest fight in Shane. After that, neither Pac nor Floyd or their camps entered into serious negotiations again until Floyd offered Manny 40 million over the phone.

I think Pac and Arum ducked the first negotiations and I think they've all been guilty of the fight not happening since. Arum should let Pac out of his contract for one fight so Manny and Floyd can do what Floyd and Cotto did. I have no doubt the fight would happen if Arum wasn't involved.

yes the negotiations conducted over the phone between studdering floyd mayweather and a guy who can barely speak english were very serious. i mean the contracts were virtually signed.