If Angulo KO's Canelo would it affect Mayweather's legacy?

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What would be the implications if Alfredo Angulo knocks out Floyd Mayweather's most recent opponent Saul Alvarez?

Would it harm Floyd Jr.'s legacy? If yes, in what way?

Not at all.........."See, whenever Floyd beats someone, he ruins them, they are damaged goods. Floyd broke Canelo down for Angulo"

[Shad0wB0xer]

Hell no! Canelo was hype job. Everyone knows Floyd takes the path of least resistance. With that said Floyd's legacy is solid no matter what happens. He will go down as an ATG.

[BoxingGenius27]

Not at all.........."See, whenever Floyd beats someone, he ruins them, they are damaged goods. Floyd broke Canelo down for Angulo"

LMAO I see what you did there.

Trolling aside, unless we're saying that Floyd only fights bums, what other explanation do you have for their weak performances post Floyd and pretty damn good victories pre Floyd?

Give me an honest assessment

[Mr. Philadel]

It really amazes me that so called boxing fans look for any and every way to discredit fighters....Floyd is a 147 pound wizard in the ring.....Nelo and Perro are 154 pounders who come ready to fight as LHWs......I don't know why people keep forgetting that Floyd is a WW.....don't matter how many belts he won at 154....if Guerrero gets knocked spark out by someone like my boy Swift then we can have this convo

Did Froch and Ward take a legacy hit when Steiglitz stopped Abraham?!?.....

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LMAO I see what you did there.

Trolling aside, unless we're saying that Floyd only fights bums, what other explanation do you have for their weak performances post Floyd and pretty damn good victories pre Floyd?

Give me an honest assessment

He and his team are very good at picking fighters who have weaknesses that can be exploited. The Ghost was just too slow but possibly much more technically sound than many of Floyd's past opposition. He hasn't had the opportunity to step back in the ring yet and I think he will do fine when given the opportunity to return.

Ortiz though, he was always mentally weak....which is weird since he was able to overcome such a tough childhood. He quit against Maidana and just never was as good as people hyped him up to be imo. I don't think the Floyd loss ruined him, I think he was not into the sport the way that one of the top guys would need to be in order to be successful. This Collazo fight is another testament to his mental weakness..he could have continued but just came for the check.

Mosley....well Mosley was the man to beat when they fought but he was past his prime and he too is mentally weak. He has heart and will fight anyone but it's like he doubts himself and he is trigger shy. Floyd knew that once he landed a few counters on Mosley, he would be too scared to let his hands go and would be easy pickings. He had a few close fights after the Floyd fight but he was simply past his best days when Floyd fought him.

Hatton.....people can attribute his decline to the Floyd fight but ultimately, his demise has to be given to the loss at the hands of Pac imo. Hatton was in the rebuilding process after the Floyd loss and still had the talent to be a top guy (even though his secret lifestyle was catching up to him) but the manner in which he lost the Pac fight totally wrecked him. He was embarrassed beyond belief and totally humiliated in that fight and it was the final nail in the coffin for his career.

I do give Floyd a lot of credit for fighting Canelo...BUT that CW will always linger over the outcome of that fight. It wasn't needed and it tarnishes an otherwise masterful performance, one that could have done good things for Floyd. Now, just as many people mention the CW as people mention his dominant performance in that fight. Canelo will be fine imo, he knows that he lost to the best in the business and he is very young with a long life left in this sport. I imagine he will look to put on a clinic of his own against Angulo and I fully expect him to.

We can again see Floyd narrowing his choices down to two possible opponents that he has tremendous advantages over. Maidana deserves it more than Khan but he is a much slower opponent than Floyd (I know it's hard to find anyone that can really match Floyd speed-wise) and he will exploit that factor as well as the fact that Maidana has never headlined a PPV before. Khan, on the other hand, has good speed but he is mentally weak and he can't take punch for crap. Floyd knows that Khan will undoubtedly fall to pieces under the bright lights and the pressure of headlining his first major PPV in the states.

I don't think Floyd ruins fighters per se, I think he may leave them with some doubts as to how good they think they are but it is more of the fact that they always had doubts about their abilities and that is something that Floyd could see and pick up on. That is part of the reason they were selected as an opponent to begin with. This is also one of the reasons why I think he isn't to keen on fighting Pac...he has this resilience to come back from tough fights and/or losses like nothing happened. He isn't an easy guy to "break down" mentally.

My original post was just a little jab at what normally comes up after Floyd beats someone and they go on to lose another fight. It's always because Floyd ruined them.....they could have been damaged goods heading into the fight though and "ripe for the picking".

[BoxingGenius27]

He and his team are very good at picking fighters who have weaknesses that can be exploited. The Ghost was just too slow but possibly much more technically sound than many of Floyd's past opposition. He hasn't had the opportunity to step back in the ring yet and I think he will do fine when given the opportunity to return.

Ortiz though, he was always mentally weak....which is weird since he was able to overcome such a tough childhood. He quit against Maidana and just never was as good as people hyped him up to be imo. I don't think the Floyd loss ruined him, I think he was not into the sport the way that one of the top guys would need to be in order to be successful. This Collazo fight is another testament to his mental weakness..he could have continued but just came for the check.

Mosley....well Mosley was the man to beat when they fought but he was past his prime and he too is mentally weak. He has heart and will fight anyone but it's like he doubts himself and he is trigger shy. Floyd knew that once he landed a few counters on Mosley, he would be too scared to let his hands go and would be easy pickings. He had a few close fights after the Floyd fight but he was simply past his best days when Floyd fought him.

Hatton.....people can attribute his decline to the Floyd fight but ultimately, his demise has to be given to the loss at the hands of Pac imo. Hatton was in the rebuilding process after the Floyd loss and still had the talent to be a top guy (even though his secret lifestyle was catching up to him) but the manner in which he lost the Pac fight totally wrecked him. He was embarrassed beyond belief and totally humiliated in that fight and it was the final nail in the coffin for his career.

I do give Floyd a lot of credit for fighting Canelo...BUT that CW will always linger over the outcome of that fight. It wasn't needed and it tarnishes an otherwise masterful performance, one that could have done good things for Floyd. Now, just as many people mention the CW as people mention his dominant performance in that fight. Canelo will be fine imo, he knows that he lost to the best in the business and he is very young with a long life left in this sport. I imagine he will look to put on a clinic of his own against Angulo and I fully expect him to.

We can again see Floyd narrowing his choices down to two possible opponents that he has tremendous advantages over. Maidana deserves it more than Khan but he is a much slower opponent than Floyd (I know it's hard to find anyone that can really match Floyd speed-wise) and he will exploit that factor as well as the fact that Maidana has never headlined a PPV before. Khan, on the other hand, has good speed but he is mentally weak and he can't take punch for crap. Floyd knows that Khan will undoubtedly fall to pieces under the bright lights and the pressure of headlining his first major PPV in the states.

I don't think Floyd ruins fighters per se, I think he may leave them with some doubts as to how good they think they are but it is more of the fact that they always had doubts about their abilities and that is something that Floyd could see and pick up on. That is part of the reason they were selected as an opponent to begin with. This is also one of the reasons why I think he isn't to keen on fighting Pac...he has this resilience to come back from tough fights and/or losses like nothing happened. He isn't an easy guy to "break down" mentally.

My original post was just a little jab at what normally comes up after Floyd beats someone and they go on to lose another fight. It's always because Floyd ruined them.....they could have been damaged goods heading into the fight though and "ripe for the picking".

I appreciate the good honest break down; it was a good read.

All the flaws you mentioned are within 98% of fighters and the mental disadvantages or "past prime" reasoning can apply to any of these fighters today.

Replace the above fighters with who you like and I guarantee I can apply your reasoning to any fighter of your choosing

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LMAO I see what you did there.

Trolling aside, unless we're saying that Floyd only fights bums, what other explanation do you have for their weak performances post Floyd and pretty damn good victories pre Floyd?

Give me an honest assessment

floyd cherry picks fighters. he said it himself "im only looking for certain fighters" usually these are very flawed fighters who recently fluked or scored an upset win which makes people forget just how flawed they are. only looking at a guys last fight is pretty misleading. ortiz over berto while ignoring all his other failures, mosley over margarito while ignoring his drastic decline, guerrero over berto while ignoring guerrero vs aydin and his subpar resume through multiple divisions, baldomir was just a journeyman who beat a perpetual loser, hatton looked terrible at ww, etc...its no surprise that the guys floyd fought resort back to their normal career path after fighting floyd.

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I appreciate the good honest break down; it was a good read.

All the flaws you mentioned are within 98% of fighters and the mental disadvantages or "past prime" reasoning can apply to any of these fighters today.

Replace the above fighters with who you like and I guarantee I can apply your reasoning to any fighter of your choosing

Yeah but I'm trying to apply it in the scheme of them not being successful post-Floyd. I'm sure all or most people have doubts especially when they face defeat for the first time or lose badly to a more talented or naturally gifted opponent, that goes without saying. Some people have the ability to put that loss behind them and bounce back but I think either Floyd or someone very close to him has a very keen eye for picking out characteristics that indicate a person may fold under pressure.

I mean for instance, Maidana isn't really much more of a draw than someone like Thurman is at this point. Thurman's name will never be mentioned as an opponent for Floyd and I suppose that "He isn't a draw" or something similar will be used as the reason but the real reason is that the guy doesn't meet some type of criteria. Why was Khan even considered a viable option to begin with considering he doesn't have a huge fanbase here in the states and hasn't done anything in the last 2 years? Sure, he may bring over a few thousand UK fans (best case) but it's not like Khan is going to be causing the PPV order hotlines to be ringing off the hooks. It's because he has a name that is just credible enough and he fits a profile.

Hey, whatever strategy they are using and have used, is obviously working for them so by all means, they should continue to roll with it. I just feel there is someone behind the scenes who OK's the potential guy as an opponent who is looking at more than superficial items such as a record or title or whatever. I think he has someone who does research and studies lots of tape on these guys, watches interviews and such and picks up on psychological cues....things like that. That's of course my personal opinion and I could be way off base .....I just have a su****ion.

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I appreciate the good honest break down; it was a good read.

All the flaws you mentioned are within 98% of fighters and the mental disadvantages or "past prime" reasoning can apply to any of these fighters today.

Replace the above fighters with who you like and I guarantee I can apply your reasoning to any fighter of your choosing

castillo was the dominant guy at 135 and floyd went 1-1 against him, since then........
tsyzu was the dominant guy at 140, he was #1 for 5 plus years. floyd never tried to make the fight
margarito was #1 for 3 plus years and instead floyd fought mitchell, judah, and baldomir. he couldn't even use the i don't fight top rank guys excuse since they were both with top rank
pac was #1 for 3 plus years and floyd kept changing his demands and when he got desperate finally resorted to i don't work with top rank.
154 had no one dominant

maybe ortiz and baldomir would have dominated the division for years if they never fought floyd.....

[BoxingGenius27]

Yeah but I'm trying to apply it in the scheme of them not being successful post-Floyd. I'm sure all or most people have doubts especially when they face defeat for the first time or lose badly to a more talented or naturally gifted opponent, that goes without saying. Some people have the ability to put that loss behind them and bounce back but I think either Floyd or someone very close to him has a very keen eye for picking out characteristics that indicate a person may fold under pressure.

I mean for instance, Maidana isn't really much more of a draw than someone like Thurman is at this point. Thurman's name will never be mentioned as an opponent for Floyd and I suppose that "He isn't a draw" or something similar will be used as the reason but the real reason is that the guy doesn't meet some type of criteria. Why was Khan even considered a viable option to begin with considering he doesn't have a huge fanbase here in the states and hasn't done anything in the last 2 years? Sure, he may bring over a few thousand UK fans (best case) but it's not like Khan is going to be causing the PPV order hotlines to be ringing off the hooks. It's because he has a name that is just credible enough and he fits a profile.

Hey, whatever strategy they are using and have used, is obviously working for them so by all means, they should continue to roll with it. I just feel there is someone behind the scenes who OK's the potential guy as an opponent who is looking at more than superficial items such as a record or title or whatever. I think he has someone who does research and studies lots of tape on these guys, watches interviews and such and picks up on psychological cues....things like that. That's of course my personal opinion and I could be way off base .....I just have a su****ion.

Anything is possible