Are people still doubting Pacquiao's boxing skills?

[Black Barty]

most agree he got sparked because he got too aggressive and wanted to finish marquez, this is the story of pacquiao's career

did you see him miss any lead lefts?
what did bradley do to marquez? lead rights
what did floyd do? lead rights

marquez' reflexes are shot, difference here is the other two can stand to dance around and live off those potshots, pacquiao has to come in with a heavy 1-2, reason he got sparked

it's demeanor not ability

Manny was in full boxing mode when he got KO'd by Marquez, and it wasn't some "heavy" punch Marquez countered, it was a careless, lazy jab.

Actually I think Manny got sparked because he fell in love with his "boxing skills". He thought he could just box circles around Marquez and get away with anything. He was wrong.

Marquez can be outboxed, but it takes actual real boxing skills, not the fake, speed based crap Manny has.

[SplitSecond]

Manny was in full boxing mode when he got KO'd by Marquez, and it wasn't some "heavy" punch Marquez countered, it was a careless, lazy jab.

Actually I think Manny got sparked because he fell in love with his "boxing skills". He thought he could just box circles around Marquez and get away with anything. He was wrong.

Marquez can be outboxed, but it takes actual real boxing skills, not the fake, speed based crap Manny has.

it's called a 1-2, his favourite combination, pacquiao's left is at it's most powerful following that lazy jab

oh, and fienting his way closer to marquez and countering his jab = all speed
pump fients and an uppercut to catch marquez's ducking head(expecting a straight) = all speed

if he had so much speed he could have just land his straight left, and from far away, why the uppercut-ish left? and slowly having to fient himself closer and closer

**** off

[The Big Dunn]

his footwork is definitely something he learned, even with that speed of his, to get it to his level is impressive, his accuracy is also elite, usually the only way you can make him miss is by getting out of range altogether, no matter how good you think you can time his left, he reads very well where your head will go and follow

he's excellent in a firefight, something aquired again, besides maybe morales and that heavy jab of his to keep pacquiao off balance, no one has been able to stand with the man and win in an exchange of combos, very high level skill he has here

his head-movement may not be on sweet pea's level but it's likely the best today, that counter left he feeds to people is expertly timed too, another aquired skill

I would disagree. He has speed and power in abundance. His boxing skill is slightly above average and I think his fights have shown this.

You are entitlted to see it this way. I'm fine with it. Just dont cosign that BS that he doesn't use it because he is trying to entertain.

[SplitSecond]

I would disagree. He has speed and power in abundance. His boxing skill is slightly above average and I think his fights have shown this.

You are entitlted to see it this way. I'm fine with it. Just dont cosign that BS that he doesn't use it because he is trying to entertain.

i dont believe the entertain thing either

but i know his mentality is to land big power shots, so he will only last so long potshotting

[Black Barty]

it's called a 1-2, his favourite combination, pacquiao's left is at it's most powerful following that lazy jab

oh, and fienting his way closer to marquez and countering his jab = all speed
pump fients and an uppercut to catch marquez's ducking head(expecting a straight) = all speed

if he had so much speed he could have just land his straight left, and from far away, why the uppercut-ish left? and slowly having to fient himself closer and closer

**** off

Nice try, but that wasn't a one-two attempt. First he feinted a jab, then he threw one (actually, it's a bit generous to call that a jab, it was a weak, lazy punch seemingly aimed at Marquez's arm).

Manny couldn't outbox Marquez because he didn't have the skills, not because he didn't want to. I know it's hard to digest, but it is the truth.

[Pacquiao'd]

JMM is not a 147lber. And he is a guy that got extraordinarily strong in a very short amount of time. Pacman was hit by everyone at ww, and at his peek he was a cyborg. Every single fight he had, he walked through punches like a machine. When Cotto hit him, he actually busted Pac's eardrum if Im not mistaken. Pac didnt fall to the ground and start kicking his legs like Darren Barker did when Martinez popped his temple. Pac's head completely snapped side ways, and he didnt even blink an eye. It was identical to a robot, or a machine.

Cut the bs. He worked on that punch in sparing and trained for power. Theres footage out there proving it

[SplitSecond]

Nice try, but that wasn't a one-two attempt. First he feinted a jab, then he threw one (actually, it's a bit generous to call that a jab, it was a weak, lazy punch seemingly aimed at Marquez's arm).

Manny couldn't outbox Marquez because he didn't have the skills, not because he didn't want to. I know it's hard to digest, but it is the truth.

how long have you been watching boxing? that fient 1-2 is something he always does

you think he jumped in so far to land a jab?

[The Big Dunn]

i dont believe the entertain thing either

but i know his mentality is to land big power shots, so he will only last so long potshotting

I think a fighter should always fight to his strengths. Manny's strengths IMO are speed and power. It would be as silly for him to try and outbox opponents as it would Ivan Calderon trying for a one punch KO.

He can box, but I wouldn't say he is floyd or sweet pea level.

[Pacquiao'd]

why do you think he dodged floyd in his prime so bad? Could be his southpaw stance

Fixed......

[Black Barty]

how long have you been watching boxing? that fient 1-2 is something he always does

you think he jumped in so far to land a jab?

A little less than 20 years, thanks for asking.

Feint-one-two from that distance? Against the best offensive counterpuncher in the world? Uh-oh, he is even less skilled than I thought...

And I don't know why he jumped in so far. He probably doesn't know himself.

And wifey is coming home, so I'm off for today. Nice debating with you.