Cotto's legacy after Martinez

[I Love Jesus!]

You know, boxing fans, that Cotto is doing it again!

Just envisage Mayweather's resume highlighted with fights against a prime Margarito and Pacquiao. And could you really see Mayweather jumping to the 160lb division to take on Martinez?

SO IF Cotto does the unimaginable. If he beats Martinez to capture the middleweight title to elevate his status as a 4-division champion (& 18-4 Championship record) - how will history evaluate the Puerto Rican's legacy in the sport?

It may be unimaginable to some, and perhaps understandably so, that Cotto doesn't have what it takes to do it. Given he struggled with Trout's movement and awkwardness. And looked a step slow against Mayweather (despite winning arguably 4-5 rounds), the critics assert that Cotto's time is over.

The flipside to the coin is that Roach may have rejuvenated Cotto, and with the right tactical advice (which he so struggled with against Pacquiao due to having no trainer), Cotto comes out right to seal his legacy as one of the modern era's true champions, ensuring his place in the Hall of Fame.

If Cotto wins Floyd will queef his way up to 160 and his fans will be all for it but if Martinez wins they will cry how he's not a real middleweight

[boliodogs]

What is Cotto doing again? Martinez would be a good win for him but it doesn't make his losses go away. Cotto is past prime and Martinez is way past prime. I heard the fight is going to be at a catchweight of 159 so even if he wins he didn't win the true 160 pound title. A win over Martinez would help his legacy and he would become more overrated than he already is.

[Jsmooth9876]

If Cotto wins Floyd will queef his way up to 160 and his fans will be all for it but if Martinez wins they will cry how he's not a real middleweight

Bingo...you win....

[freethinkersam]

That's really his only big win.

It's not, really.

He was considered a heavy underdog against Carlos Quintana against whom he claimed the WBA championship and defended it against Judah, Mosley & Margarito (the last two of these being fights Floyd Mayweather Jr blatantly steered away from). Cotto deserves credit for stepping up.

The Hands of Plaster incident, and Margarito's subsequent conviction for cheating adds a great cloud of su****ion to the outcome of their first fight. And for vindication, Cotto beat Margarito in their highly anticipated rematch - a fight which many predicted would be the replay of the first - well no, because Cotto rewrote history, and Margarito's already damaged eye.

The win over a 2007 Shane Mosley is a great win. Especially given the fact that Mosley becomes the lineal welterweight championship after losing to Cotto.

The Clottey win was another good win. It was close but the consensus has it that Cotto was able to outbox Clottey in the last couple of rounds, and with addition to a 10-8 round, Cotto got the nod. It must be highlighted that this really was a welterweight unification bout - only Clottey had to vacate his title as the deal wasn't signed in time.

In defence of Cotto, he had no trainer against Pacquiao. He literally trained himself with no input of tactics or strategy from a great trainer's perspective. In fact, it's interesting to hear of how Roach was surprised at Cotto's lack of knowledge in some key fundamentals. Roach feels Cotto is rejuvenating, and with the addition of a new training program and a strategic tactical plan in place for Martinez, let's see what happens.

[Black Barty]

[QUOTE=freethinkersam;14204204]

After he gets knocked out by Martinez, he'll be known by how he's known now.

A good solid fighter who lost most of his big fights.

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In consideration to your absurdity, here are Cotto's notable wins:

Torres: undefeated, came back to claim 140 championship
Malignaggi: undefeated, continued to claim championships at 140 & 147
Maussa: undefeated, came back to claim championship at 140
Quintana: undefeated, reclaimed championship by beating Paul Williams
Judah: came back claim championship at 140
Mosley: became THE welterweight champion after Cotto loss
N'dou: came back to win a championship
Clottey: IBF champion, continues his career
Foreman: undefeated champion

Not to forget he beat former champions like Cesar Bazan & Corley, Mayorga.

He was cheated by Margarito the first time round but avenged the loss in the highly anticipated rematch.

Not many of today's boxers can boast a win over a 2007 version of Mosley.

What he said isn't absurd. Cotto is a very good fighter and a future first ballot HOFer. He has a bunch of very decent wins, and was one of the defining fighters of the 2000's. BUT he lost the fights that could have taken him to the next level. He is a future HOFer, but not an ATG.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

It's not, really.

He was considered a heavy underdog against Carlos Quintana against whom he claimed the WBA championship

I stopped reading at this point

[freethinkersam]

I stopped reading at this point

Because that's the ignorance in you. Carlos Quintana may not be a great boxer, but a fighter should receive credit where it's due for winning a fight where the consensus had it against him. He defended the WBA welter crown he won in this fight against Judah and Mosley.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree. If your of the opinion that Cotto simply lost all of his big fights - then that's your opinion. I take it even lighter given the fact you apparently give Margarito - a convicted cheater - the benefit of the doubt. I won't sit here and listen to you being a megaphone for fraud.

Cotto has a chance to elevate his championship record to 18-4 whilst claiming the lineal middleweight crown making him Puerto Rico's first 4-division champion.

In consideration to the fact that by the time they fight, Martinez will have been inactive for the last 18-months or so. We'll see how this fancy Dan does against a rejuvenated Freddie Roach version of Cotto.

[AVDB]

This has really nothing to do with Floyd, so the captain saving a ducking cherrypicking ho was not warranted here.

How small Floyd looks to a Floyd fan...

[Jc8804]

Um, u do realization that Cotto started 2 divisions higher than Floyd, right? Floyd has fought in 2 more divisions than Cotto. Cotto is much bigger than Floyd and was never really a 140 pounder anyways. He was a WE fighting there. He was 157 on fight not for 140 pound fights while Floyd even now is only 150 but fighting at 154. Please stop hating

Really ?
And how do you know how much floyd weighs on fight night?
Does he text you ? Last ibheard , he doesnt weigh in on fight night.
He could be 155 for all you know. Floyd is built in the legs

[baya]

Really ?
And how do you know how much floyd weighs on fight night?
Does he text you ? Last ibheard , he doesnt weigh in on fight night.
He could be 155 for all you know. Floyd is built in the legs

and in the cAck. check it.

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