Can YOU Justify the GGG Hype?

[kiaba360]

The only way his hype pays off is if he fights Martinez, Ward or both.

[soul_survivor]

Yeah, but you don't talk about how Geale and Murray can beat him, or how can Sturm can beat him. You're not even sure Martinez beats him. Instead you move to the kingpins in a higher division, and when you do that, you're crossing the line to "hater" status (I dislike the term but it best describes your posts on him).

I've described how Martinez beats GGG in a million different threads already. First off, I always start off by saying Martinez has to be as close to his best as possible, as close to the version that fought Williams, Pavlik and Jr. How he beats him? Movement, combinations, speed and Martinez's own power. We've seen GGG isn't always the best when dealing with movement, what little has been shown against him, heck a little guy in Stevens showed what he could do and Rosado didn't do too bad either.

I personally don't think Sturm or Geale beat him but that's all hypothetical. He has to fight those guys and like I keep repeating, if he can't get those names then surely there are better MWs for him to fight than Adama/Stevens/Rosado.

I'm not really here to prove if I'm a hater or not, I think I've always made it clear I respect most fighters except for duckers, liars, cheats and quitters. That's an exclusive club of Floyd/Ortiz/Alexander...even then I don't let that cloud my judgement on their skills. GGG isn't any where near hate status for me, I like him, he seems a good guy who fights hard but the hype of him being the best MW on the planet and one of the best ever is a bit too much. If you can't see that then oh well

[soul_survivor]

Chavez jr would be an interesting fight, but Golovkin is a decent boxer, he has a good jab and more than enough power to prevent Jr to walk him down. I 'd favor Golovkin by decision.

And I agree, Martinez at his best is fast and mobile enough to take Golovkin out of his comfort zone. At the current stage of Martinez' carreer though I don't think he has enough mobility to avoid being cornered and eventually out gunned. As said, Golovkin is a decent boxer, I don't think he'd look as lost as Chavez.

Very well balanced post. I agree, GGG gives any version of Martinez a tough fight but if Marinez can bring his A/B game, he'd beat GGG.

golovkin would be favored against any other middleweight, and rightfully so. martinez is not getting any younger, and it's not a great division to begin with.


when you've got to demand that a guy jump to fight [king] ward, he's not a bad fighter.

I think the division gets too much stick, for much of the last 5-6 years, it's been the best it has been in a long long time. Martinez beating Williams/Pavlik/Murray/Barker/Macklin/Dzinzurik/Jr is a damn good resume, he has beaten the leading man in the division, a former p4p entrant and a very good fighter in his own right and some of the best top 10 contenders in recent years.

The division has started to thin out a bit, Barker is gone, Macklin is injured but Murray/Geale/Sturm are still worthy names. I personally would rather see GGG take on those guys than go up to 168, I think he;s too small for the division.

[Weebler I]

I've described how Martinez beats GGG in a million different threads already. First off, I always start off by saying Martinez has to be as close to his best as possible, as close to the version that fought Williams, Pavlik and Jr. How he beats him? Movement, combinations, speed and Martinez's own power. We've seen GGG isn't always the best when dealing with movement, what little has been shown against him, heck a little guy in Stevens showed what he could do and Rosado didn't do too bad either.

They lost every round and got beaten up. Golovkin is actually very good at dealing with movement, he cuts off the ring well but you are right, Martinez has a shot.

I personally don't think Sturm or Geale beat him but that's all hypothetical. He has to fight those guys and like I keep repeating, if he can't get those names then surely there are better MWs for him to fight than Adama/Stevens/Rosado.

I'm not really here to prove if I'm a hater or not, I think I've always made it clear I respect most fighters except for duckers, liars, cheats and quitters. That's an exclusive club of Floyd/Ortiz/Alexander...even then I don't let that cloud my judgement on their skills. GGG isn't any where near hate status for me, I like him, he seems a good guy who fights hard but the hype of him being the best MW on the planet and one of the best ever is a bit too much. If you can't see that then oh well

The issue I had was you bringing up 168lb fighters to say Golovkin would lose, and not just any SMWs, the two best ones who are both on the PFP list.

That's how far you had to go to say you don't think he's that good and that tells its own story.

[BennyST]

Ok, couldn't get all I wanted in the title. Basically, is GGG worthy of all the hype he gets or does he need to step up his competition?

If you think he is worthy of hype, explain why?

I'm gonna add a poll, wana see where the NSB posters are flowing

He's worthy of some hype, but definitely not the amount he's getting now. I accidentally clicked yes, but my answer is a resounding no.

[Khmelnytsky]

They lost every round and got beaten up. Golovkin is actually very good at dealing with movement, he cuts off the ring well but you are right, Martinez has a shot.



The issue I had was you bringing up 168lb fighters to say Golovkin would lose, and not just any SMWs, the two best ones who are both on the PFP lists.

That's how far you had to go to say you don't think he's that good and that tells its own story.

People always forget to look at it the other way too. Barker and Murray had no problem keeping Sergio in front of them and neither are as quick, efficient or skilled with their footwork as Golovkin.

[jas]

[Weebler I]

lol I really wish Danny could fight Provodnikov. Angel might re-ignite the Cold War (the real one, not the promoter's version).

[HeroBando]

Very well balanced post. I agree, GGG gives any version of Martinez a tough fight but if Marinez can bring his A/B game, he'd beat GGG.



I think the division gets too much stick, for much of the last 5-6 years, it's been the best it has been in a long long time. Martinez beating Williams/Pavlik/Murray/Barker/Macklin/Dzinzurik/Jr is a damn good resume, he has beaten the leading man in the division, a former p4p entrant and a very good fighter in his own right and some of the best top 10 contenders in recent years.

The division has started to thin out a bit, Barker is gone, Macklin is injured but Murray/Geale/Sturm are still worthy names. I personally would rather see GGG take on those guys than go up to 168, I think he;s too small for the division.

Im sure hed love to fight those guys as well. Thats why they got multiple offers they keep passing on

[soul_survivor]

He's worthy of some hype, but definitely not the amount he's getting now. I accidentally clicked yes, but my answer is a resounding no.

Exactly what I'm saying.

They lost every round and got beaten up. Golovkin is actually very good at dealing with movement, he cuts off the ring well but you are right, Martinez has a shot.



The issue I had was you bringing up 168lb fighters to say Golovkin would lose, and not just any SMWs, the two best ones who are both on the PFP list.

That's how far you had to go to say you don't think he's that good and that tells its own story.

Like I've said weebler, GGG is good, possibly very good but with everyone, many of them on this forum saying he;d beat everyone and is posisbly one of the greatest mws ever, thats just going too far. Why do I have to keep repeating this? I've out smarted you in this argument a million times already, with you naming Proksa and Stevens as top 10 mws "peeleft:

Look I wana stop now cos normally I respect your opinions but your way off on this one.