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Rigondeaux's Manager Gary Hyde's Open Letter to Bob Arum
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Put him with bums like those over hyped no substance fighters they always try to cram down our throats he will obliterate them just as well he is already king, and nobody can challenge him might as well put some no hope having fkers with nothing to loose for him to shine on at least we already know he is the truth already, and if a real challenge comes along he will win unlike those hype jobs from a far and manufactured fighters from not so far they dont have that advantage of being the actual goods just smoke and mirrors.
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Originally posted by PBP View PostAll Joseph Agbeko did was to try to survive, perfectly predictable under the circumstances, as we both know..
Plenty of fighters are over-matched and try to survive, that doesn't mean that you should allow them to do so.
Curtis Stevens tried to survive against GGG, but GGG didn't allow him to do so.
Most fighters are prepared to risk being hit to land a punch, most fighters are prepared to risk losing to win, and a tiny minority of fighters are risk adverse to the point where they want to win, but not as much as the don't want to lose, and so they take as few a risks as possible. That`s the kind of fighter that Rigondeaux was against Agbeko.
Agbeko was directly in front of Rigondeaux for almost the entire duration of the fight. He didn't run, he just stood there not throwing any punches, so what stopped Rigondeaux from attempting to force a stoppage against an over-matched and unwilling opponent, outside of his complete lack of desire to do so?
It`s foolish to hate on Arum for the way Rigondeaux chooses to perform in the ring. Arum didn't make thousands turn off their TV`s and hundreds leave the arena, that was Rigondeaux's risk averse and fan-unfriendly style.
Boxers are products, and when they fight on TV they should understand this and market themselves accordingly.
Arum told Rigondeaux in the past that he need to be more TV friendly and take more risks, and Rigondeaux ignored that wise advice and did the opposite.
Boxing fans, predominately casuals, watch boxing to be entertained and not to be anesthetized, and if they don`t enjoy the way someone fights then they don`t enjoy the way someone fights. The masses that are responsible for the success or failure of any entertainment product, of which a boxer is, don`t enjoy the way Rigondeaux fights and they don`t want to watch him.
Also, I find it kind of ridiculous that people keep suggesting certain opponents/types of opponent for Rigondeaux to look good against. How sad that a supposedly great boxer should need hand picked opponents that will fight to his strengths, just to make him look good. He can either fight on the front foot and lead first or he can't, he can either choose to go forward and take risks or he can choose not to. But cherry picking opponents only to make a fighter look good is something to be frowned upon, not encouraged.
A great boxer should be able to look great against any kind of opponent, not just those hand picked to make them do so.Last edited by mrspecial321; 01-28-2014, 09:37 PM.
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Originally posted by .:: JSFD26 ::. View PostSteve Kim? Where did he get that?
Originally posted by .:: JSFD26 ::. View PostWhy did TR settle for a $550k minimum knowing he wasn't a draw? Why not let him go? Just to fk him over?
Originally posted by .:: JSFD26 ::. View PostWhy not let him go? Just to fk him over?
Originally posted by PBP View PostSounds like Top Rank's fault to me. They should have known the challenge that was put in front of them before they signed him to that deal.
But really, unless Arum hasn't kept his end of the contract and Hyde knows of an opponent that meets this criteria, Hyde has nothing to bitch about.Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 01-28-2014, 09:51 PM.
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Originally posted by mrspecial321 View PostWhy do people make excuses for Rigondeaux's risk averse performance against Agbeko?Plenty of fighters are over-matched and try to survive, that doesn't mean that you should allow them to do so.
Curtis Stevens tried to survive against GGG, but GGG didn't allow him to do so.
Most fighters are prepared to risk being hit to land a punch, most fighters are prepared to risk losing to win, and a tiny minority of fighters are risk adverse to the point where they want to win, but not as much as the don't want to lose, and so they take as few a risks as possible. That`s the kind of fighter that Rigondeaux was against Agbeko.
Agbeko was directly in front of Rigondeaux for almost the entire duration of the fight. He didn't run, he just stood there not throwing any punches, so what stopped Rigondeaux from attempting to force a stoppage against an over-matched and unwilling opponent, outside of his complete lack of desire to do so?
It`s foolish to hate on Arum for the way Rigondeaux chooses to perform in the ring. Arum didn't make thousands turn off their TV`s and hundreds leave the arena, that was Rigondeaux's risk averse and fan-unfriendly style.
Boxers are products, and when they fight on TV they should understand this and market themselves accordingly.
Arum told Rigondeaux in the past that he need to be more TV friendly and take more risks, and Rigondeaux ignored that wise advice and did the opposite.
Boxing fans, predominately casuals, watch boxing to be entertained and not to be anesthetized, and if they don`t enjoy the way someone fights then they don`t enjoy the way someone fights. The masses that are responsible for the success or failure of any entertainment product, of which a boxer is, don`t enjoy the way Rigondeaux fights and they don`t want to watch him.
Also, I find it kind of ridiculous that people keep suggesting certain opponents/types of opponent for Rigondeaux to look good against. How sad that a supposedly great boxer should need hand picked opponents that will fight to his strengths, just to make him look good. He can either fight on the front foot and lead first or he can't, he can either choose to go forward and take risks or he can choose not to. But cherry picking opponents only to make a fighter look good is something to be frowned upon, not encouraged.
A great boxer should be able to look great against any kind of opponent, not just those hand picked to make them do so.Last edited by -PBP-; 01-28-2014, 09:54 PM.
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Originally posted by DoktorSleepless View PostRigo and Hyde knew the deal and how difficult it would be to get an opponent. They could have easily renegotiated and accept lower purses to fight an opponent to make Rigo look good. (even though Agbeko was supposed to be that guy despite the ad hoc bs) Arum gave them the option to fight Chris Avalos for $350K in Macau (a guy threw over 100 punches per round in his previous fight), but they refused.
But really, unless Arum hasn't kept his end of the contract and Hyde knows of an opponent that meets this criteria, Hyde has nothing to bitch about.
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Originally posted by PBP View PostIf you signed a contract that guaranteed you $500,000 would you accept $350,000?
Arum did his job. He got him on HBO and met his guarantee. Like I said, unless Hyde knew of someone like this and can name the names, he's full of shit.Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 01-28-2014, 10:05 PM.
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Originally posted by DoktorSleepless View PostHey, if Hyde really had these magical powers that let him see into the future and know for sure Agbeko would stink it up and cause HBO to never want to see Rigo again, it's his problem that he chose the Agbeko money over the Avalos offer.
Arum did his job. He got him on HBO and met his guarantee. Like I said, unless Hyde knew of someone like this, he's full of shit.
And Hyde is doing his job too. He's standing up for his client after his own promoter thrashed him in the media.
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