Manny Pacquiao Vs Timothy Bradley 2 & Undercards Master Discussion Thread

[jas]

That's The Ring belt. Entirely different. Although often the Lineage and Ring Belts are the same, it's not always.

Mayweather-Guererro was for the Vacant Ring Belt. Not the Vacant Lineage. The Lineage was already held by Floyd and has been since 2010.

That is a non-truth. Lineage is not re-established as the result of the link ending with mayweather.

[DeadLikeMe]

That is a non-truth. Lineage is not re-established as a result of the link ending with mayweather.

So your argument is that it has been vacant since 2008?

[jas]

So your argument is that it has been vacant since 2008?

Going by lineage criteria: number 1 fighting number 2.

[jas]

This is The Ring lineage.



Under the other lineal critera he would have vacated in '08 having also won it from Baldomir in '06. Mosley's beatdown of Margarito would have then reestablished Mosley as lineal champ. Then Floyd's subsequent win over Mosley passed it onto him (or it would have been reestablished anyway.)

That is Ring lineage, not the true lineage.

[IronDanHamza]

That is a non-truth. Lineage is not re-established as the result of the link ending with mayweather.

False.

Too many, most infact. It was re-established when Margarito beat Cotto, then Mosley beating Margarito and Mayweather beating Mosley.

I.e CyberBoxingZone which to most, is the "go-to" site for tracing the Lineage.

[jas]

False.

Too many, most infact. It was re-established when Margarito beat Cotto, then Mosley beating Margarito and Mayweather beating Mosley.

I.e CyberBoxingZone which to most, is the "go-to" site for tracing the Lineage.

i thought you were saying the link ending with floyd is why he was the fighter who re-established lineage .

anyway, now that you have clarified, margarito and cotto were not ranked number 1 and 2, therefore lineage was not re-established in that fight.

[IronDanHamza]

i thought you were saying the link ending with floyd is why he was the fighter who re-established lineage .

anyway, now that you have clarified, margarito and cotto were not ranked number 1 and 2, therefore lineage was not re-established in that fight.

Cotto was ranked #1 Margarito #3 and Williams was signed to fight at 154 and never returned to WW so for those reasons many people, inlcluding CyberBoxingZone, consider that the Lineage.

Either way, since when do rankings matter to you? Bradley and Marquez weren't #1 and #2 and neither are Pacquaio and Bradley now.

So worst case scenario the Lineage would be vacant at this moment in time and Pacquaio-Bradley definitely won't be the fight that re-establishes it.

[jas]

Cotto was ranked #1 Margarito #3 and Williams was signed to fight at 154 and never returned to WW so for those reasons many people, inlcluding CyberBoxingZone, consider that the Lineage.

Either way, since when do rankings matter to you? Bradley and Marquez weren't #1 and #2 and neither are Pacquaio and Bradley now.

So worst case scenario the Lineage would be vacant at this moment in time and Pacquaio-Bradley definitely won't be the fight that re-establishes it.

When Vitali retired he vacated the lineal hw title. wladimir and chagaev were ranked number 1 and 3 respectively yet that fight was not for the lineal title. years later, lineage was re-established when the top 2 contenders, wlad and povetkin, fought each other.

[IronDanHamza]

When Vitali retired he vacated the lineal hw title. wladimir and chagaev were ranked number 1 and 3 respectively yet that fight was not for the lineal title. years later, lineage was re-established when the top 2 contenders, wlad and povetkin, fought each other.

No, wrong.

Vitali was never the Lineal Champion and the Lineage re-opened with Wlad-Chagaev.

Another one people dispute but that's how most see it.

[jas]

No, wrong.

Vitali was never the Lineal Champion and the Lineage re-opened with Wlad-Chagaev.

Another one people dispute but that's how most see it.

i meant to say lewis

but you are wrong about chagaev -wlad being for the lineal title. there was a massive gap between number 1 and 3.

lineage is when 1 and 2 fight each other , that is the way its been for a hundred years.