Vitali Klitschko has won 215 rds.......

[LacedUp]

First off a guy who would NEVER even win a single second of any rd fighting Vitili craps on him how? That's as moronic as it gets. You're on a Vitali Klitschko thread.. yet you & your hating friends feel the need to dig up a fighter from the past not even in the same division to make a point.

I could care less what anyone thinks of me... let alone Klitschko fans that shouldn't even call themselves one if they haven't gotten what I've stated in this entire thread.. they might as well be haters like yourself as far as I care.

The fact that all of you vehemently denying how great Vitali Klitschko has truly been & are on here trying to desperately shoot down what I've stated here tells me I am 100% accurate in my findings.

No one has ever been as throuroghly efficient or dominant as he has & that is WHAT SCARES ALL OF YOU.. because you have no leg to stand on... everything I've stated is 100% true & stands.

Dude, the guy we mentioned was about 100 lbs lighter than Vitali. I said P4P - excuse me if you don't understand the concept of that. Clearly you have no idea about boxing greatness, especially as you dismiss Locche - whom you openly admitted not to knowing anything about.

What you will realize on day, is that people on this forum who actually follow boxing and has followed boxing for far longer than you have - have a greater understanding of what it means to be a great. A great fighter is not just one who fights subpar opponents and knocks them out - anyone can do that. As mentioned previously, Vitali only has 5 top 10 victories in his career of almost 50 fights - how can that be classified as great?

What you are doing is to take a few stats and figures to prove a theory that is so delusional - because you have an affection for one specific fighter. The theory you are basing this on, doesn't take quality into consideration.

There has been several threads on NSB regarding Vitali's greatness, and all of them have ended with the same result. 70%+ are in agreement that Vitali Klitschko is not an ATG - and more often than not, not an ATG heavyweight either.

I'm not a hater of Vitali, I like him a bit. I'm a hater of people like you though with your limited boxing knowledge, coming to these sites and giving us BS threads like these based on nothing substantial.

[LacedUp]

First off that misconception has two false innuendos.... the fact that he didn't really lose by being bettered.. he lost because he wasn't afforded the opportunity to CONTINUE to beat those two fighters he was winning handily against because his body gave out.. when he was actually in the ring with the both of them he was WINNING... that is what the real glossary would state about it.. & not this total bs that the forum is being fed... that's what transpired.

& as for two best.. could be coincidence.. or it could be opinion... Solis has way more overall boxing skills than Byrd. There's plenty of fighters he's beat.. Donald for instance had very good boxing skills... you can say both fighters in LEwis & Byrd were the most accomplished & be accurate but not necessarily the best & he was beating both before the unfortunate stoppages... so he doesn't have to apologize to anyone.

Everyone knows exactly what happened in those two fights. He lost. Gave up in one fight, lost another fair and square. He might have wanted to continue in one of them, but maybe he should have thought about a little defensive work before he got his face smashed to bits.

Solis.... Oh my god, you really have no clue. Especially as he had an injury in the fight! So Vitali didn't really beat Solis did he? And what about Charr? He didn't really beat him either - one was injury and one was a cut. You really shot yourself in the foot with that one.

He wasn't 'beating' Lewis - stop kidding yourself. Both were dead tired and shared some rounds - Lewis' best rounds were better than Vitali's best rounds. The tide was also shifting in Lewis' favour, though he was tired.

[KBRO]

Dude, the guy we mentioned was about 100 lbs lighter than Vitali. I said P4P - excuse me if you don't understand the concept of that. Clearly you have no idea about boxing greatness, especially as you dismiss Locche - whom you openly admitted not to knowing anything about.

What you will realize on day, is that people on this forum who actually follow boxing and has followed boxing for far longer than you have - have a greater understanding of what it means to be a great. A great fighter is not just one who fights subpar opponents and knocks them out - anyone can do that. As mentioned previously, Vitali only has 5 top 10 victories in his career of almost 50 fights - how can that be classified as great?

What you are doing is to take a few stats and figures to prove a theory that is so delusional - because you have an affection for one specific fighter. The theory you are basing this on, doesn't take quality into consideration.

There has been several threads on NSB regarding Vitali's greatness, and all of them have ended with the same result. 70%+ are in agreement that Vitali Klitschko is not an ATG - and more often than not, not an ATG heavyweight either.

I'm not a hater of Vitali, I like him a bit. I'm a hater of people like you though with your limited boxing knowledge, coming to these sites and giving us BS threads like these based on nothing substantial.

I don't understand greatness? Vitali Klitschko is great... you're on here trying to convince me otherwise... I've given EVERY reason in the books for his greatness.. you're here trying to discount it with bogus theories about how inept his competition has been as opposed to other past greats competition.. the guy literally has destroyed all 47 fighters he's fought in one way or another & you want to tell me bs lies about how his competition was non resistant as if he's fought Wilder's competition.

Vitali would've never even got to championship level if he wasn't great enough to do so.. somewhere along the line he would've slipped & been exposed.

Vitali could've fought 100 firemen or cab drivers for all I CARE... still doesn't change the FACT he's the ONLY boxer to ever do what he's done to them.

I don't have to fabricate anything about his career.. everything I've stated HE HAS DONE... you're the one fabricating the quality of these achievements when he hasn't had any advantages at all over past greats.

I made a thread once & compared Lewis competition who most consider some of the best quality ever & found the EXACT cumulative record of the opposition he's faced to what Vitali has faced throughout there careers... a winning % of 85 - 90% at the time they faced there opposition.

& this actual fact still gets dismissed because the names are different for both of there comps?

Who are you to tell me Lewis' comp was any more difficult when there records are practically identical?

The degree & CHANCES for victory are EXACTLY the same for both Lewis & Klitschko & both only have lost twice.

So understand that quality of opposition is AN OPINION on your part it has no basis in reality yet THIS IS THE ONLY THING YOU'VE got that you can attempt to discredit his achievements... you're wrong & will never be in the right as far as I'm concerned but the forum keeps getting fed lies about how weak his foes have been because they can't fathom how weak he's actually made them.

[KBRO]

Everyone knows exactly what happened in those two fights. He lost. Gave up in one fight, lost another fair and square. He might have wanted to continue in one of them, but maybe he should have thought about a little defensive work before he got his face smashed to bits.

Solis.... Oh my god, you really have no clue. Especially as he had an injury in the fight! So Vitali didn't really beat Solis did he? And what about Charr? He didn't really beat him either - one was injury and one was a cut. You really shot yourself in the foot with that one.

He wasn't 'beating' Lewis - stop kidding yourself. Both were dead tired and shared some rounds - Lewis' best rounds were better than Vitali's best rounds. The tide was also shifting in Lewis' favour, though he was tired.

You're beyond pathetic & am starting to think you're intentionally trying to peeve me off so I can get kicked out of here.

A) You're not that smart

B) I will stop answering your posts as you're clearly trying to bait me.. esp with that Chisora rd favoritism bs as if you caught me in some type of fabrication.. No one has ever ended a fight with Vitali Klitschko with a cumulative total of 3 rds or more & never will.

C) Charr LOST every goddamn rd.. got KNOCKED down by Klitschko... how you try to equate this with either of Klitschko's two losses is beyond me when he was totally dominating Charr.. just shows you're trying to be cute.

D) SOLIS got ktfo & injured at THE SAME EXACT TIME... Klitschko landed a punch that started the dominoe effect.. I don't care if it was with BYRDlike power.. without that punch & the wild miss on the part of Solis because of Klitschko's defense none of that would've happened.. Solis could NOT have won that rd regard;less of some myth that he was winning before he got his azz KNOCKED out.. Klitschko as usual landed & threw more shots than him.. more jabs & power shots as well & the knockdown created a 10-8 RD for him.

One fight he was concerned about his physical well being when he WAS NOT engaging in a war & toe to toe affair.. while the other fight where he was.. his mindest was willing to die or have his eye fall out to prove to everyone how he wasn't a coward or a legitimate quitter.. but we still get morons such as yourself & jabless question why he quit... there has NEVER been such a contrast as to the one Klitschko showed in consecutive title shots vs Byrd & then vs Lewis.. is he a coward or has he got a death wish.... a


We can clearly see that in the Byrd fight he had a severe injury & the mindset wasn't on winning at the time.. yet we still get fools stating he bottled it... this dude is actually pUTTING HIS LIFE ON THE ******** LINE everytime he goes & puts himself out there for a political cause.. one day he'll possibly heaven forbid get killed & still peeps will bring up how ALI was more courageous for fighting with a broken jaw ( a totally different physical ailment) HOW ABOUT WHEN ali REFUSED to be drafted.. .. yet he's looked upon as a heroe by billions because he stood up for a cause.

I don't expect you to get this but YOU ALL have no idea how courageous this man is.. just like you don't wanna recognize how legitimate his dominance has been... you know who knows the truth... not me or you.... but the man up in the sky & he's laughing at all you morons for the blatant disrespect of such a great & unpredeented fighter who's actually the most dominant ranked boxer in the history of boxing.. yet Has to somehow apologize to all you for being just that... SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JAB5239]

I guess getting the same treatment you dish out in terms of not recognizing the value of certain fighters doesn't agree with you... oh well.. considering all these clearly spiteful & jealous Klitschko haters.. I'm not too surprised.. I can work circles over you & all the anti_ Klitschko brigade.

Sure Jimmy. Why don't you tell us again how Marciano died before he could lose and retire? You a shining beacon of boxing knowledge!

[Lineal]

I meant the two best fighters he fought are arguably Lewis & Byrd

[JAB5239]

I meant the two best fighters he fought are arguably Lewis & Byrd

His point was there isn't much to argue. Achievements wise its not arguable at all. H2h, you MAY have an argument against Byrd, but I'd disagree given the clash of styles and the problems he gave Vits.

[Poet682006]

Awwwwwww.....I see little Jimmy's coming unglued and needs a nappy change again :hahahaha9:

[mezoomozaa]

lol. yes it has happened multiple times across all divisions.

Lennox Lewis won every round against David Tua, the consensus #1 in 2000. I don't remember if he won all rounds on the cards, but it was a whitewash. Also pretty sure Klitschko-Ibragimov was a whitewash. So was Klitschko-Johnson - though one of the judges shamefully gave one round to Johnson. two of the judges had it 120-108 - which was the fair score.

Klitschko vs. Briggs was also 120-107 (twice) and 120-105.

With regards to Lewis-Tua, Klitschko-Ibragimov, the opponent might have snatched one or two of the judges rounds.

Niccilino Locche won every round on all three judges cards in his first fight against Antonio Cervantes in 1971. I believe this is the only time one HOF fighter shut out another....and it was over 15 rounds.

Ask & you shall receive.... first off Vitali has been taken the distance ONLY 4 times in 47 bouts & one of them should've been stopped at least 5 times (Briggs Fight).... Let's see Briggs did NOT win a rd..... Kevin Johnson did NOT win a rd.... Hoffman.. one rd at most & Chisora 2.666666 rds... SO that makes it 3.6666 rds lost in 4 full 12 rd bouts.. that averages to less than 1 rd per bout.. which incidentially coincides with his ENTIRE career FOR every 12 rds interval that he's fought.

Thank you very much for your input, I really appreciate it
unfortunately, I didn't watch any of these fights, so I had to make a research about them !

Officially, Klitschko vs Briggs and Locche vs Cervantes I are the ones I am asking for, but I have my notes :

* Locche vs Cervantes 2 ended with the loss of Locche ! it is a bit strange for someone so dominant in the first fight to lose the second !!

* Klitschko vs Briggs round 4 is controversial, I see scoring websites having it a draw 10-10 !


I am going to download and watch these fights

[Lineal]

His point was there isn't much to argue. Achievements wise its not arguable at all. H2h, you MAY have an argument against Byrd, but I'd disagree given the clash of styles and the problems he gave Vits.

Byrd was the one, Sanders is close