Out of the top 10 p4p fighters...who is fighting top champions?

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  • WESS
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    #21
    Because the standards placed on Floyd Maywather Jr are so much higher than any other fighter today.

    Yet let's reflect on Pac who people like to compare Floyd to or visa versa. Going back before fighting Hatton, Pac fought DLH at a weight Hoya hadn’t fought at in over 8 years. DLH’s previous 2 fights before Pac were against Floyd in which DLH lost and then had a fight against Steve Forbes in which DLH looked terribly washed up and pathetic. Yet, it was a smart move on Roach and Pac. Especially Roach as he knew what he was going to get. He told everyone that would listen. He was right. Great career move.

    Anyway, so what has Pac really accomplished at WW especially when you try and compare it to Floyd? When Pac was deathly scared of blood and needles and ducked a 50-50 fight with Floyd, Pac fought a bum named Clottey whose previous fight was a loss against Cotto and most meaningful win was vs Judah. Before the Clottey fight, Pac fought Cotto who just went life and death with that bum Clottey. Cotto’s fight before Clottey was against some bum named Michael Jennings (for a vacant WBO belt) and before that fight Cotto was destroyed by a cowardly fraud in Margarito. We won't even talk about the Mosley fight as any real boxing fan shamed Pac for that disgraceful cherry pick. Especially after publicly ducking him when he was WW Champion.

    So after that strategic match making by Bob, Pacquiao then moves up to fight a banned WW fighter, the cowardly fraud Margario for yet another vacant belt at JMW that neither guy was ever in line for a shot at. This was a move that effectively let Pacquiao win a belt at 154 but dodge a legitimate Champion in that division. See the trend? However, Bradley was a solid pick but even he wasn't a WW. Rios was just down right a cherry pick/look good fight who also didn't fight at WW.

    Records reflect that when you look at the men Floyd has faced throughout his career, he almost always did it in their natural habitat (Baldomir between 14-18lbs heavier, Corrales (RIP) 18lbs heavier, Oscar, better than 10lbs heavier just for example). Hell, even Alvarez at a catchweight weighed more than Floyd.

    Most would say Floyd was bigger than Hatton, Marquez, or Ortiz. Some would probably even try an argue Gureero too. However an advantage goes both ways. Him being bigger than these men is no different than Pacquiao making bigger men fight smaller. Besides nobody gives Mayweather credit for the JMM fight... well that was until Pac decided to fight JMM at WW 2X and ended up being put to sleep by a 39 year old LW that had previously displayed he should never fight at WW again.

    At the end of the day the fact is, Floyd has fought and beat more lineal and current champions than Pacquiao, his reign of supremacy is twice as long as Pacquiao's, and he's never lost. Floyd also dismantled and shut down the last known fighter (JMM) to give Pacquiao a lot problems (4X) to say the very least. Also keep in mind that 5 out of 8 of Pac's division titles where vacant belts.

    Floyd trumps Pac's WW/JMW record. But obviously the standards are completely different amongst the two fighters. That is clear.

    Here is a few great question for anyone to answer;

    Tell me when the last time Manny Pac went into a division and beat the top 2 guys or 2 of the top 3 guys in a division?

    Also, tell me who was the last WW that Pac fought and beat who looked good in their previous fight or just simply came off a win at WW?
    Last edited by WESS; 01-18-2014, 05:58 PM.

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    • IST-ra-GLEr2
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      #22
      Originally posted by LarryXXX
      Manny did not even wanna negotiate..he said" i want 50/50" even after he told his fans " i will take less for the fight to happen" he just said "i want 50/50" and gave the phone to Konz
      seriously you expect pacquiao to negotiate from 0% ppv share and signing for the money team promotions. come on now thats downright disrespectful larry and you know it.

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      • ChampBox@PR
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        #23
        Originally posted by mathed
        Floyd is the one that says belts don't mean anything but he uses them to make him look like he is facing top comp. Ortiz is and was overrated imo, he quit against Maidana and thought he was a tree against Floyd, now he is no longer considered even a contender at this point.

        The point is Floyd picks guys that have either a belt or momentum going for them but they have to be either mentally weak (Ortiz, Mosley) or too slow to do damage to him (Guerrero).

        He almost messed up fighting Cotto but he only chose him because he thought Cotto was to far passed it to be a threat. There are subtle characteristics that Floyd looks for in his opposition for them to be "worthy" of the fight. They have to have momentum, and/or a belt and they have to have weaknesses that he can exploit.

        With Canelo, he wanted to get him in his first PPV and used the weight against him....he tried to get him two years ago but GB wouldn't let that happen. I bet if Canelo had been in the game a few years longer and was still undefeated, Floyd would not have entertained a match with him.

        Hence why he doesn't want to fight Pac, he knows there isn't much there to exploit, Pac has speed and power and seems to have recovered from his KO loss pretty decently meaning he is very mentally strong......which means Floyd wants nothing to do with him.

        Co Sign! Thread/

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        • ChampBox@PR
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          #24
          Guerrero the #2 WW? GTFO with that crap!

          Canelo was a hype job everybody knows that. Biggest a roberry against Trout.

          Anyways, Floyd's ****** ass is to blame for this, he always finds a way to duck the tough fights, and then ends up fighting meh fights, that people know he is going to win. I mean the prime Cotto ducking was ridiculous and the Pac ducking is on that level!

          I reckon Floyd is the best, but he sure like to make silly excuses to not take on the real tests!

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          • BlueBettle
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            #25
            Originally posted by LarryXXX
            Manny did not even wanna negotiate..he said" i want 50/50" even after he told his fans " i will take less for the fight to happen" he just said "i want 50/50" and gave the phone to Konz
            I meant it more in terms of given credit for accepting the fights. They're okay wins, but I'm not going to praise him for taking up those fights. He's not doing anything exceptional and brave that anyone else wouldn't do.

            The same way people like to praise Cotto for fighting everyone. They say things like "I wish everyone was like Cotto. He fought the best and ducked nobody. Boxing would better if everyone would be like Cotto." No, he fought the biggest draws around him for huge pay checks. Anyone in Cotto's shoes would do the same.

            And the hell If I'm going to praise Mayweather for fighting Guerrero. When Mayweather runs out of draws, he fights the Khans and Guerreros of the world instead of the fighting the real dangerous opposition around his weight class.
            Last edited by BlueBettle; 01-18-2014, 06:22 PM.

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            • -Kev-
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              #26
              I do not have to link anything or agree with any one who said it already, but yes, Canelo was The Ring champ when Floyd beat him. This didn't happen like 20 years ago, so I am surprised people are already trying to change the facts so quickly.

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              • -Kev-
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                #27
                Originally posted by LarryXXX
                Robert was in fact ranked #2 at ww



                Canelo won the ring title against Trout man
                He was ranked #3 behind JMM. People were saying Floyd should rematch JMM because he's the second best WW behind him, then JMM was interviewed and said he wanted no part of Floyd because "Everyone saw what happened in the first fight" this was after the Pac KO, his own words in plain English. Guerrero was #3, I believe Pac was #5 and Bradley #4. I could be wrong about 4-5, but I am positive Marquez was #2 and Guerrero #3.

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                • -Kev-
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by mathed
                  Not true....only when Floyd started saying he was greater than Ali and Robinson, that's when people held him to a higher standard.
                  Um, actually, it was Arum who first said it wile Floyd was under Top Rank. Floyd just repeated the comments after leaving TR.

                  Arum also said the same about Pacquiao, no one had a problem with it.

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                  • Larry the boss
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by -Kev-
                    He was ranked #3 behind JMM. People were saying Floyd should rematch JMM because he's the second best WW behind him, then JMM was interviewed and said he wanted no part of Floyd because "Everyone saw what happened in the first fight" this was after the Pac KO, his own words in plain English. Guerrero was #3, I believe Pac was #5 and Bradley #4. I could be wrong about 4-5, but I am positive Marquez was #2 and Guerrero #3.
                    i stand corrected

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                    • IronDanHamza
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                      #30
                      Hindsights a big thing when it comes to Mayweather.

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