is manny pacquiao really an ATG

[hugh grant]

tue. he never fought someone much bigger than him say at 154 lbs or so.

You would have to say floyd is an ATG. he's beaten 4 guys-Hatton, Canelo, SHane, ODH- you said he wouldn't fight and can't beat.

Im not sure you can be an ATG on the basis of beating hatton and Canelo. And a past prime DLH and SSM.
It doesn't matter that people say Floyd was too scared to fight SSM and DLH and that he couldn't beat them. That just reflects badly on FLoyd and how little people thought of FLoyd and his ducking ways. That he would even duck past prime fighters like DLH and SSM is nothing to gloat about. People were worried Floyd was going to duck Hatton, SSM and DLH as Floyd had by then already a proven history of disappointing fans by not fighting Kostya and Margarito and probably many other fights.

So even when Floyd did beat SSM and DLH, nobody thought it was anything special if Floyd did beat them. People had to call Floyd a ducker to get him into action and fight. He was bribed.

How many title defenses does manny have? 6

How the hell you gonna be an ATG and only defend your title 6 times manny is all smoke and mirrors created by bob arum.

What division did manny dominate name one please?

Staying in a division beating bums is easy. Once you've beaten everyone in your division it takes years for new guys to develop in that division.
Pac took challenges in other divisions with strong fighters like Hatton at 140, Cotto at 147 even though it was a CW. A CW doesn't neccesarily mean you stop Cotto its not that easy.

Just because you can sit in a division and beat all the bums that come along, that doesn't make you a great fighter. Moving up in weight and beating Hall of famers does.

My sentiments exactly. Just like Floyd can stay at 147 and beat guys moving up like Garcia, khan etc etc. Not even p4p fighters. Floyd usually likes to say in divisions where its not hot.

[Someone88]

Yes Pacquiao is an All-Time Great.

[hugh grant]

The way I see it, Jmm shouldn't have agreed to the terms of the fight anyway if he knew his weight would be such a hindrance on his performance. I personally do not think he could change the outcome even if he was at his best and from what ive seen from his interviews, it looks like he pretty much like he feels the same way.

Floyd is a bad style match up for JMM and was 2 divisions above JMM, yet JMM wanted it, he dared to be great, something Floyd wont and dont do. So JMM will always be credited for believing he could do it.

Floyd will be discredited for not believing in himself as much as JMM does.
Floyd should fight Sergio or GGG at 160. But when anyone says that, Floyds fans say why should Floyd fight people bigger than himself and give advantages and get defensive, holding Floyd back?
If Floyd is held to a higher standard supposedly, fight them then. And not the Ortiz and Guerrero and drained Canelos of this world.

[djtmal]

Floyd is a bad style match up for JMM and was 2 divisions above JMM, yet JMM wanted it, he dared to be great, something Floyd wont and dont do. So JMM will always be credited for believing he could do it.

Floyd will be discredited for not believing in himself as much as JMM does.
Floyd should fight Sergio or GGG at 160. But when anyone says that, Floyds fans say why should Floyd fight people bigger than himself and give advantages and get defensive, holding Floyd back?
If Floyd is held to a higher standard supposedly, fight them then. And not the Ortiz and Guerrero and drained Canelos of this world.

Man you asking for trouble....

[Grimgash]

It's a valid question, considering the nonsense on here but....yes he's an ATG.

If I'd have to say from this era BHop, Roy, Wlad, Floyd, Pac....that's about it. For those saying JMM .... he might be a Mexican ATG sure...but I don't think he's a boxing ATG those are two entirely different things. Kelly Pavlik is probably the GOAT alcoholic, white fighter, from youngstown....doesn't make him an ATG.

[pasawayako]

You are right pac is not an ATG but a GOAT.

[straightleft]

Other ATG's think Pac is an ATG like themselves. Other ATG's think Floyd is a coward and scared of Pacquiao. Floydiots can you see the big difference here?

[straightleft]

This thread can easily be zipped up:

Neither Pac nor Floyd are ATG.

ATG means you are among the finest, most accomplished, most tested fighters EVER.

Because of promotional wars, watered down divisions, multiple belts, division jumping, etc its nearly impossible to find a current fighter that can be considered an ATG. It may or may not be their fault but the proper ATGs have faced the best multiple times throughout their career. You simply cannot say that about Manny and Floyd.

Doug Fisher has written some good pieces about this.

You are a Floydiot and your opinion means nothing like poo.

[spytactics]

Yes and over floyd

[NearHypnos]

Yes and over floyd

He is even if he wasnt the best at some of his weight classes (what he shared with JMM and Floyd). I believe he's a stud but under 140... I'm not silly enough to think his 147+ resume beats Floyds recent ones. Head to head, Floyd's recent resume beats Pac's if they fiught... Only exception is Bradley who has some terrific stylistic matchups with Ortrees and Guerrero. You have to look at both sides of the equation... He's the other side

We all know hingsight is 20/20 so it's easy to badmouth Ortrees, Guerrero and other of Floyds opponents but some didnt believe hed even fight them as they were "so dangerous".
(i remember here people laughing at the thought of Floyd fighting Ortiz "he would never fight a young powerful bull whos a southpaw lolz").

Pac is neither the midget Arum makes him out to be and if you guys want Floyd to move up to 160, Pac should to. They're about the same height, Pac probably even getting bigger than floyd in between fights. Floyds a bit taller, but people dont take into account proportions and frame. People act like Floyd isnt consistantly outweighed as well. IMO, Floyd by far has been fighting the more "legit" fights these last few.

Lets not act like Rios is a better recent fight than Nelo, even at 152 (anyone remember wht Weight Pac fought to get his bogus 154 title?). Pac couldnt figh Serg for that title (neither would Floyd) lets not act like those werent straight ducks. As much as I like Pac more thab Floyd the one thing that will always be in my head is Pac's camp ractically refusing to fight Floyd the first time. The way the sport works is when the cash cow comes knockin,you say YES...beat him and become the cash cow.


And ******* and floydiot? Who talks like that? >__>... Are these grown men who get mad when someone "slanders" their fighter? Grow up....Look at both sides of the equation and learn to find faults in both because it hasnt been one sided.