Kovalev's manager: "Sergey is not a racist."

[hectari]

I can only judge him based on my own values though.

Understanding why he said what he said is different to agreeing with it. I understand, I dont agree. I think at least it was a racially charged comment to make.



Maybe it is strong to say what he said was blatantly racist. But I think that as soon as you start judging racial groups based on the actions of individuals it is a bad road to go down.

To the bolded I could have gotten away with saying some pretty horrific stuff about ***s if I was in **** Germany, does that mean its ok to say it now?




If I hear a ****** praising the 9/11 *********s, should I say I dont like ******s? If I see a group of drunk soccer fans fighting, should I say I dont like soccer fans?

No, I shouldn't. Becuase that would be prejudiced. Same way that Kovalev shouldnt make judgements about 'tanned' people based on the actions of a few.

Your comparison is very weak. You are in denial blame the ones acting unruly, people have the image for a reason, just look at wolrdstarhiphop and tell me who owns that site. World star basically promoted the knockout game amongst black youth for years. So blame the people who are promoting this like the ******* slave master ********s who want ********** to never forget racism, for their vote, and those pimps who bring down the urban youth like world star leave kova alone he is not the problem.

[Tom Cruise]

How is that bigotry. If he didnt like someone based on experience, thats the way he sees it. He's not showing intolerance. People get so sensitive when you say you dont like someone. He's an immigrant himself, yet he's bigoted towards immigrants?

He said he liked an entire race "less and less" because of his experience of them. Thats not the same as not liking an individual after you've met them.

[Tom Cruise]

Your comparison is very weak. You are in denial blame the ones acting unruly, people have the image for a reason, just look at wolrdstarhiphop and tell me who owns that site. World star basically promoted the knockout game amongst black youth for years. So blame the people who are promoting this like the ******* slave master ********s who want ********** to never forget racism, for their vote, and those pimps who bring down the urban youth like world star leave kova alone he is not the problem.

Ok you've gone off on a strange tangent here but as i understand it, Kovalev is allowed to not like an entire race because some of them do dumb ****?

[PainfromUkraine]

He said he liked an entire race "less and less" because of his experience of them. Thats not the same as not liking an individual after you've met them.

Who's to say he was referring to the ENTIRE race though - he could just be talking about that group where he lives...i.e, 'these dark skinned people (in Florida)'. Behaviour of all groups can be different depending on where they are situated.

I'm not saying this as fact, not by any means, but I guess it's open for interpretation which often can cause a problem with some translations.

[Tom Cruise]

Who's to say he was referring to the ENTIRE race though - he could just be talking about that group where he lives...i.e, 'these dark skinned people (in Florida)'. Behaviour of all groups can be different depending on where they are situated.

I'm not saying this as fact, not by any means, but I guess it's open for interpretation which often can cause a problem with some translations.

He could be saying that but I dont see it in the translation you gave me. He said "everyday I like these 'sunburnts' less and less." If I replaced 'sunburnts' with another race or religion I would still say it was a prejudiced thing to say. I'm not going to change my opinion because it was said by a popular fighter.

why is he even talking about race? He was asked if a particular fighter was his worst opponent no?

[Citizen Koba]

It doesn't matter what context it is used by a person of different colour from a black. People of the same colour can make racial jokes or slurs about their own race and it will not mean as much as if a person of different colour does that.

Once again, as I asked before, why should anyone call a person based of their colour, why not just say " hey dude" or " hey man", why do you need to specifically call a person out by his race?????

How would the white Russians react if a black said " Yo white" or " Yo Redneck", I know what would happen, that black guy would get stomped.

The point is that in Russia that's just the way it's done - no-one considers it an issue, there was no black slavery, there are basically almost no black people, there was no civil rights movement - no one in the crumbling Chelyabinsk tenements or slums where Kovalev grew up told him - 'you need to call black people this or that acceptable term' because it was simply irrelevant.

I'm not sure you're appreciating the cultural and linguistic gap between Russian and US society, in the example you used is it hard for you to imagine a black guy in the US saying 'hey Ivan' or 'hey Russkie' - you know such a thing would happen and not even be frowned upon cos Russians have never occupied the position in US society that blacks have.

It's a bit like criticising Native Americans for calling whites 'pale-faces' (if this was indeed done) - you're talking about an entirely different social context from that of the US where N i g g e r - which had in earlier times been a basically neutral term - became a pejorative due to the enslavement and abuse of blacks.

That said, I would very much hope that Kovalev takes onboard that if he wishes to pursue a career in the US he needs to observe the social mores of that culture, even, to an extent, when speaking in his mother tongue.

[FrankieBruno]

Russia has real problems with racism and ****phobia, i was watching newsnight earlier in the year and one of their grestest female sports stars compared gay people to pedophiles, i was shocked that such a talented woman could hold such disturbing views.



They are still sadly run by backwards people over there.

[PainfromUkraine]

He could be saying that but I dont see it in the translation you gave me. He said "everyday I like these 'sunburnts' less and less." If I replaced 'sunburnts' with another race or religion I would still say it was a prejudiced thing to say. I'm not going to change my opinion because it was said by a popular fighter.

why is he even talking about race? He was asked if a particular fighter was his worst opponent no?

I have no idea mate, I didn't see or read the entire extract or article, if you want me to translate more in depth to see the entire context feel free to send me some more of it. Anyway, as I say it's open to interpretation what he is referring to with 'these' - an entire race or just a select group he has experienced, I don't know?

[Sweet Pea 50]

Wow.

4 pages.

If Kovalev was running for a political spot in San Francisco, maybe a big deal.

The dudes profession is to punch people in the snot box and get hit back, in a very dirty sport.

Can we let a N word slide?

[Tom Cruise]

I have no idea mate, I didn't see or read the entire extract or article, if you want me to translate more in depth to see the entire context feel free to send me some more of it. Anyway, as I say it's open to interpretation what he is referring to with 'these' - an entire race or just a select group he has experienced, I don't know?

from google translate

- Grover - the main villain, whom you met in the ring?
- Well ... Just as the villain he behaved unsportsmanlike. Generally some reason among blacks across inadequate guys. If they sparring something does not work, then you can and hit the elbow. Was a case where the "white" beat "black." So he drew his gun after a workout and began waving it in the face of the enemy, threatening to shoot him. This abnormal behavior. I'm not racist, I understand that everywhere there are good and bad guys, but these "tanned" every day I like less. I live in Florida, there are many illegals-islanders, I can see how they behave.