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  • LeadPunch
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    #31
    Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
    This idea that he's "improved" just because he's fought a string of opponents with favourable styles is quite annoying.
    Who said he has improved because of that reason, other than yourself?... He has improved some of his techniques, has a better jab and is more active, plain and simple. What the heck does it have anything to do with his opponents?... He could have faced Butterbean and still has improved. You see the result of his improvements against his opponents, but they're not the source of the improvements. Sounds pretty simple to me.

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    • The Problem Child
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      #32
      As I was reading the very first paragraph of your post I was thinking "this guy is pretty much mentioning why he DOES deserve the credit he is getting". Maidana has gotten some solid wins any way you slice it and Broner was the icing on the cake.

      It is obvious he is not much of a technician or a dynamic fighter BUT what he does do, he does damn well. Decent jab, beautiful head/body combinations, awkward punches that are hard to predict... with a heart and balls of stone. He is a real problem.

      He stands the same chances against Floyd that he had coming into the Broner fight. Thing is, Floyd is not flat footed and does master moving his upper body. A tougher fight but definitely winnable. Anything can happen in the sport of fighting, we've seen that time and time again.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Southpawology
        If anything people are UNDERRATING maidana because almost everytime the dude is a big underdog he steps up to the plate and wins.
        Except against Kotelnik, Khan and Alexander you mean?

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          #34
          Originally posted by LeadPunch
          Who said he has improved because of that reason, other than yourself?... He has improved some of his techniques, has a better jab and is more active, plain and simple. What the heck does it have anything to do with his opponents?... He could have faced Butterbean and still has improved. You see the result of his improvements against his opponents, but they're not the source of the improvements. Sounds pretty simple to me.
          You're only as good as who you fight. He has been allowed to show more things against a bunch of opponents who fought him in a way which suited him down to the ground.

          For example, him being "more active" may have something to do with the fact he's been fighting guys who stand in front of him and allow him to get off more shots.

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          • Southpawology
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            #35
            Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
            Except against Kotelnik, Khan and Alexander you mean?

            Come on now...the kotelnik fight was very close, khan survived by the skin of his teeth, and the alexander fight was a complete and utter disgrace of a fight with devon clinching 170+ times.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
              Except against Kotelnik, Khan and Alexander you mean?
              And Morales.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
                You're only as good as who you fight. He has been allowed to show more things against a bunch of opponents who fought him in a way which suited him down to the ground.

                For example, him being "more active" may have something to do with the fact he's been fighting guys who stand in front of him and allow him to get off more shots.
                So, according to you theory no fighter can improve other than by his opponents??... A hockey player can't skate faster unless he faces a poor team, a tennis player can't serve faster unless he's facing a dummy??...

                Suggestion my friend: why don't you re-read yourself a bit instead of digging deeper in your lost twisted hole...

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by LeadPunch
                  So, according to you theory no fighter can improve other than by his opponents??... A hockey player can't skate faster unless he faces a poor team, a tennis player can't serve faster unless he's facing a dummy??...

                  Suggestion my friend: why don't you re-read yourself a bit instead of digging deeper in your lost twisted hole...
                  You will only be able to tell if he's really improved when he fights the kinds of guys he's been losing clearly too - i.e Khan and Alexander or guys with similar styles.

                  It's not long ago people were saying Devon Alexander had "improved" since he went up to welterweight. People said he was "more aggressive" against Purdy.....uh yeah cos the guy stood there like a punching bag and allowed him to get off whatever he wanted.

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                  • Southpawology
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by LacedUp
                    And Morales.
                    maidana clearly won that fight so not sure what your smoking. morales did put up a great effort though.

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                    • El Vikingo
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Golovkin
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                      He stands the same chances against Floyd that he had coming into the Broner . A tougher fight but definitely winnable
                      Thats exactly the hype i was refering to....

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