Has Cotto even earned a crack at a MW title?

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  • Vasyl’s dad
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    #41
    Originally posted by AddiX
    This is just ******, guys who have carried as many fights as cotto has don't need to start over from the beginning of the line just because they move up in weight.

    That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
    You know whats even more dumb?

    A guy who isn't even the best in his division, getting a shot at the middleweight title before actual middleweights. Its just as ridiculous as Pacquiao fighting for a 154 pound title.

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    • Mr.Fantastic
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      #42
      Originally posted by TAKE THE TEST!!
      I'm not so sure he has. Who has he beaten in that division to leapfrog over someone else?
      No one! But his blind fans seem like beating Rodriguez(at 154) earned him that right. Besides Sergio needs to fight guys in his division.

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        #43
        Originally posted by Golovkin
        He has done enough in his career now to earn these chances. If there is a true warrior in the sport, inside the ring and out when negotiations are happening, it's Cotto. He definitely deserves it, unlike Canelo.
        Inside and out?? Really? What's so warrior about beating up on an old man(his uncle)??? What about when he steps up and most of the time he's running? He fought them for $$$$, not because he's a rawr warrior.

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        • -Kev-
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          #44
          Originally posted by Da Boxer
          -Kev-,

          You are delusional. Just compare Cotto's resume vs Canelo's (hand me down) resume.

          Cotto > Canelo any day any night.

          Cant wait 'till this fight happens so King Cotto can sodomize young overly hyped Canelo.

          Cotto has fought the best...not afraid to loose, on the other hand Canelo has not.

          Wake up brother. Its time for your to face reality.
          Nobody is talking about resumes. The least Cotto can have at 34 years old is a better resume than a 23 year old. At 34, Cotto is considered a borderline HOF'er, never became The Ring champ of ay division he's been in, out of the titles he's won, only one time he actually took a title from a champion.

          Canelo at 34 years old, will be retired or close to it with a resume and accomplishment list 10x better than Cotto's.

          The truth is, Canelo is a far better fighter than Cotto is at the same age and is fighting WAY better competition at 23 than Cotto ever did, and is not getting absolutely pounded, decked and busted up by the Corley's, Torres's, and Judah's. Instead if Canelo fights that type of competition even now, he would get bashed and has much higher expectations than Cotto ever had. I mean Canelo at 23 is expected to do things Cotto was never asked of in his prime. Fans would actually love for GBP to throw Canelo in there with Lara, Martinez, and Golovkin despite him just fighting Trout and Mayweather back to back, they don't even want to hear about any "confidence builder' vs Rodriguez, Mayorga or some other non top 10 ranked JMW.

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            #45
            Originally posted by -Kev-
            Nobody is talking about resumes. The least Cotto can have at 34 years old is a better resume than a 23 year old. At 34, Cotto is considered a borderline HOF'er, never became The Ring champ of ay division he's been in, out of the titles he's won, only one time he actually took a title from a champion.

            Canelo at 34 years old, will be retired or close to it with a resume and accomplishment list 10x better than Cotto's.

            The truth is, Canelo is a far better fighter than Cotto is at the same age and is fighting WAY better competition at 23 than Cotto ever did, and is not getting absolutely pounded, decked and busted up by the Corley's, Torres's, and Judah's. Instead if Canelo fights that type of competition even now, he would get bashed and has much higher expectations than Cotto ever had. I mean Canelo at 23 is expected to do things Cotto was never asked of in his prime. Fans would actually love for GBP to throw Canelo in there with Lara, Martinez, and Golovkin despite him just fighting Trout and Mayweather back to back, they don't even want to hear about any "confidence builder' vs Rodriguez, Mayorga or some other non top 10 ranked JMW.


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              #46
              I don't think a Canelo fan should be talking about earning title shots. This is business, man. Cotto is a big name and a showdown against Martinez is going to bring in a ton of money.

              Do you think Martinez is saying "what has this guy done to earn a shot at me?" No, he's saying "FIGHT COTTO????? MUCHO DINERO????? YES PLEASE!!".

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                #47
                Originally posted by -Kev-
                Nobody is talking about resumes. The least Cotto can have at 34 years old is a better resume than a 23 year old. At 34, Cotto is considered a borderline HOF'er, never became The Ring champ of ay division he's been in, out of the titles he's won, only one time he actually took a title from a champion.

                Canelo at 34 years old, will be retired or close to it with a resume and accomplishment list 10x better than Cotto's.

                The truth is, Canelo is a far better fighter than Cotto is at the same age and is fighting WAY better competition at 23 than Cotto ever did, and is not getting absolutely pounded, decked and busted up by the Corley's, Torres's, and Judah's. Instead if Canelo fights that type of competition even now, he would get bashed and has much higher expectations than Cotto ever had. I mean Canelo at 23 is expected to do things Cotto was never asked of in his prime. Fans would actually love for GBP to throw Canelo in there with Lara, Martinez, and Golovkin despite him just fighting Trout and Mayweather back to back, they don't even want to hear about any "confidence builder' vs Rodriguez, Mayorga or some other non top 10 ranked JMW.
                Let's not make any assumptions about where Canelo's career is going to be. As of right now, Cotto is MILES ahead in terms of accomplishments, it would be hard pressed for Canelo to achieve what Cotto has in this sport.

                Don't get me wrong, I like Canelo, I think he's an underrated fighter, but you can't just make assumptions about how Canelo would perform against the caliber of opposition Cotto has faced because he simply hasn't faced those types of opponents.

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                • El Angel
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by -Kev-
                  Nobody is talking about resumes. The least Cotto can have at 34 years old is a better resume than a 23 year old. At 34, Cotto is considered a borderline HOF'er, never became The Ring champ of ay division he's been in, out of the titles he's won, only one time he actually took a title from a champion.

                  Canelo at 34 years old, will be retired or close to it with a resume and accomplishment list 10x better than Cotto's.

                  The truth is, Canelo is a far better fighter than Cotto is at the same age and is fighting WAY better competition at 23 than Cotto ever did, and is not getting absolutely pounded, decked and busted up by the Corley's, Torres's, and Judah's. Instead if Canelo fights that type of competition even now, he would get bashed and has much higher expectations than Cotto ever had. I mean Canelo at 23 is expected to do things Cotto was never asked of in his prime. Fans would actually love for GBP to throw Canelo in there with Lara, Martinez, and Golovkin despite him just fighting Trout and Mayweather back to back, they don't even want to hear about any "confidence builder' vs Rodriguez, Mayorga or some other non top 10 ranked JMW.
                  Canelo is fighting in the pros for years at 23, Cotto had barely started after representing this country in the Olympics and a great amatuer career. Big difference.

                  Cotto got pulled down by Torres, which isn't getting decked and the other 2 never put him down, so he wasn't decked by any of them. Canelo was rocked by Cotto's little bro early in his career when he was weight drained, like Miguel was against Corley and Torres.

                  Was it asking a lot to put Canelo in there with Lara? It's no different than Clottey getting his shot at Cotto after he broke through with a nice decision over Zab and hurting his hands in a fight he was winning against Margarito. He took coming off a loss and a small tune up win over Jennings. Canelo is held to standards that are no different than any other elite fighter.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Fantastic One
                    Inside and out?? Really? What's so warrior about beating up on an old man(his uncle)??? What about when he steps up and most of the time he's running? He fought them for $$$$, not because he's a rawr warrior.
                    You really come up with the dumbest arguments ever. I enjoy debates with people on the other side of the spectrum on certain topics, like Kev (the guy really knows his stuff), but you just reach for such ****** arguments such as this to make a point.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Fantastic One
                      Inside and out?? Really? What's so warrior about beating up on an old man(his uncle)??? What about when he steps up and most of the time he's running? He fought them for $$$$, not because he's a rawr warrior.
                      Uncle had been verbally abusive towards him for years and essentially had Miguel training himself for his big fights towards the end. He instigated that whole mess. When Cotto fights big names, it's for $$$$. But when ODLH did it, it was because he was a warrior FOH

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