Excluding Floyd/Ward, who else beats Rigo pfp and why please.

[IronDanHamza]

It wasn't so much what Johnson did, it's what RJJ was doing, being gunshy and laying on the ropes. For Pac the important thing is he stayed off the ropes and had the legs to move all night, which was one of the questions. And lets not overhype Johnson. He's lost to plenty of guys of Alvarado, Abril caliber, though had a good streak at the time.

I'm not overhyping Johnson just saying he's much better than Rios which he absolutely is.

Roy Jones and Pacquaio aren't the same though, Jones lost his legs and that was curtains for him but Pacquaio might have some other issues that are yet to be seen because Rios is so beyond his level.

We know he's not shot. That we know.

But we don't know how much he has left. Atleast I don't.

I still think(assume) he's P4P quality.

[Weebler I]

Rigondeaux has 20 fights or so but has he beaten a come forward fighter with KO power and ability to cut off the ring? Has he beaten a high quality inside fighter?

[IronDanHamza]

Rigondeaux has 20 fights or so but has he beaten a come forward fighter with KO power and ability to cut off the ring? Has he beaten a high quality inside fighter?

That's why they need to make Martinez-Rigondeaux!!

[HeroBando]

That's why they need to make Martinez-Rigondeaux!!

If Kiko takes it to him and grinds him down in 8 rounds, should he go #3 p4p?

[Bushbaby]

Donaire was ranked higher by most, so what? If Edwin Rodriguez had beaten Ward, he'd not go #2 p4p. He'd come in at 7 maybe, with Ward right behind him. It's only a single p4p win. Agbeko carries 0 p4p points, he looked bad vs Mares 2, then inactive, and wasn't a super bantam. So let me ask you, if Russell Jr next beats Rigo, he's p4p #3? How about if Jhonny Gonzalez KOs Rigo, is he #3? Depends on the eye test?

Maybe Rigo beats even prime Pac p4p, hard to tell when he hasn't fought anyone nearly as good, and won't if he stays at 122. With this kind of hype mongering no wonder Broner got to #5 p4p for DeMarco and passing the eye test.

Now it's so what huh. When ever since you came here to defend Pacman you've been touting that Pacman beat a pfp quality fighter in Bradley, (when in fact it's a loss). But I mention Donaire and used him by yur own standard and now it's "so what", lol. I find that funny.

[DannYankee]

Rigondeaux has 20 fights or so but has he beaten a come forward fighter with KO power and ability to cut off the ring? Has he beaten a high quality inside fighter?

Rigondeaux beat Donaire in his 12th professional bout Agbeko was his 13th by 20 he should have wiped anybody who is anyone. Inside game wouldn't work on him because his footwork is too good for anyone dont matter how good you are at cutting off the ring if the guy is not running but turning you and that is what lateral movement is. If you think Kiko is a good inside fighter i ask you this do you think that guy could really beat Rigondeaux? Rigondeaux is no Mathebula.

[IronDanHamza]

If Kiko takes it to him and grinds him down in 8 rounds, should he go #3 p4p?

Absolutely not.

Why?

[HeroBando]

Absolutely not.

Why?

That's the standard the OP is using, beat a p4p guy and take his place in the rankings (or better)

[Weebler I]

Rigondeaux beat Donaire in his 12th professional bout Agbeko was his 13th by 20 he should have wiped anybody who is anyone. Inside game wouldn't work on him because his footwork is too good for anyone dont matter how good you are at cutting off the ring if the guy is not running but turning you and that is what lateral movement is. If you think Kiko is a good inside fighter i ask you this do you think that guy could really beat Rigondeaux? Rigondeaux is no Mathebula.

Still needs to be seen Dann, we need to see him exposed to different styles against high quality opponents. The guy has been down a couple of times so not impossible to get to?

13 fights is even less than I thought, imo it's bit early to draw PFP H2H conclusions.

[HeroBando]

Now it's so what huh. When ever since you came here to defend Pacman you've been touting that Pacman beat a pfp quality fighter in Bradley, (when in fact it's a loss). But I mention Donaire and used him by yur own standard and now it's "so what", lol. I find that funny.

Doh. "So what" is on the relative ranking Donaire vs Bradley, who were separated by maybe 1 spot p4p. Obviously not so what on the Donaire win, which I've already said is of p4p caliber. But it's only 1 p4p boosting win, that's the point.

If Kiko swarms and stops Rigo, is he #3 p4p?