Excluding Floyd/Ward, who else beats Rigo pfp and why please.

[Bushbaby]

"P4P" is how you're performing right now.

That's pretty much all it is.

Who's the best "Right now" based off both skills and how impressive they've been looking at the moment.

I.e Bradley just beat Marquez therefore he's quite high on the list.

Froch just struggled with Groves therefore he's off most peoples list as opposed to before he was on most peoples as he was coming off 2 impressive victories in Bute and Kessler.

Agreed. A weight jump 5 years ago shouldn't matter right now if the fighter in question has been dismal for the last few years.

[HeroBando]

Pacman did not Route Bradley. He won the fight. But he didn't dominate Bradley. So stop that right now. Most also felt he lost the 3rd fight to Marquez before the 4th. Don't fail to mention that. In all those were 3 unfavorable performances before beating Rios. That's not top pfp material no matter how you try and make it seem like it is.

I'm not talking NSB posters and their alts, I'm talking "boxing experts" that contribute to p4p rankings. Pretty much all had Pac beating Bradley in a one sided fashion, 9-3 on average. 117-111 is a rout.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ma...imothy_Bradley

There was nothing like that for JMM 3, which was judged a 50/50 fight ringside:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ma..._(3rd_meeting)

[IronDanHamza]

The mythical definition of pfp, is simple. Which fighter would win if the fighters in question were the same size.

For example: If Ward and Rigo weight the same, who'd win?

If Pacman and Wlad were the same size, who'd win. And so on.

I think that whole argument is baseless though because Wlad would be an entirely different fighter if he was much smaller as would Pacquaio if he were much bigger so it's pretty much impossible to say who would win "If they were the same size" because they'd be different fighters at a different weight to where they're fighting.

[IronDanHamza]

Agreed. A weight jump 5 years ago shouldn't matter right now if the fighter in question has been dismal for the last few years.

Precisely.

It's about what you're doing at this moment in time or recently.

That's how I judge it.

[Bushbaby]

I'm not talking NSB posters and their alts, I'm talking "boxing experts" that contribute to p4p rankings. Pretty much all had Pac beating Bradley in a one sided fashion, 9-3 on average. 117-111 is a rout.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ma...imothy_Bradley

There was nothing like that for JMM 3, which was judged a 50/50 fight ringside:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ma..._(3rd_meeting)

Like I said, Pacman won the Bradley fight. But he did not dominate him. As for your 2nd link, there's nothing there. Even still Pacman has not put forth a pfp top effort in years. And was slept 2 fights ago. If that's the case Mares should still be high on the pfp list since we're issuing hand outs and passes, pass it all around.

[HeroBando]

Like I said, Pacman won the Bradley fight. But he did not dominate him. As for your 2nd link, there's nothing there. Even still Pacman has not put forth a pfp top effort in years. And was slept 2 fights ago. If that's the case Mares should still be high on the pfp list since we're issuing hand outs and passes, pass it all around.

What do you mean, there's nothing there? This is there:

"
Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114 Draw
Cliff Rold, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Jake Donovan, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/*********.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao
...
Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw."

That doesn't look like a robbery at all, unlike Bradley. Nice job trying to ignore the consensus opinion on that. I'm just showing you how all these name guys that contribute to the well known rankings (ring, espn, yahoo, tbrb) had Pac winning dominant over an undefeated p4per, scoring many p4p points.

[Bushbaby]

What do you mean, there's nothing there? This is there:

"
Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114 Draw
Cliff Rold, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Jake Donovan, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/*********.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao
...
Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw."

That doesn't look like a robbery at all, unlike Bradley. Nice job trying to ignore the consensus opinion on that. I'm just showing you how all these name guys that contribute to the well known rankings (ring, espn, yahoo, tbrb) had Pac winning dominant over an undefeated p4per, scoring many p4p points.

I'm not ignoring anything. No one is arguing Bradley won. No one said he did. Point is Pacman hasn't done anything to merit a top pfp spot. You can try to make a case with the unofficial, consensus opinion of Pacman-Bradley/Marquez all you want. All 3 performances were not pfp performances especially the 4th fight which is sure to drop Pacman a few slots. And beating Brandon Rios doesn't magically place him high following those 3 dismal performances. Especially considering the work other fighters have done in that time frame.

[HeroBando]

I'm not ignoring anything. No one is arguing Bradley won. No one said he did. Point is Pacman hasn't done anything to merit a top pfp spot. You can try to make a case with the unofficial, consensus opinion of Pacman-Bradley/Marquez all you want. All 3 performances were not pfp performances especially the 4th fight which is sure to drop Pacman a few slots. And beating Brandon Rios doesn't magically place him high following those 3 dismal performances. Especially considering the work other fighters have done in that time frame.

Dismal performances lol, your bias is ridiculous. Even you had him beating Bradley. How the fcuk can that be dismal? You think Bradley is a bum? BTW

Jeff Mayweather, Danny Garcia: 10-2 Pac
Andre Ward:My buddy Tim should give the belt back to Pac, I would

[Bushbaby]

Dismal performances lol, your bias is ridiculous. Even you had him beating Bradley. How the fcuk can that be dismal? You think Bradley is a bum? BTW

Jeff Mayweather, Danny Garcia: 10-2 Pac
Andre Ward:My buddy Tim should give the belt back to Pac, I would

Dismal as not impressive. Anyway, what has Pacman done this year to end the year higher than Rigo? I'll wait, so you can take your time and think real hard.

[HeroBando]

Dismal as not impressive. Anyway, what has Pacman done this year to end the year higher than Rigo? I'll wait, so you can take your time and think real hard.

So judged against his own standard, gotcha. The fact he's not what he used to be doesn't mean he's not one of the p4p best. Where do you have Bradley ranked again? Even you think Pac beat him, even if not dominant as is the consensus.

I'm not even arguing he should be above Rigo, though I could easily. I mean, he's hugely more proven. Rigo has one p4p worthy win, a very good win, but it will only push you into the top 10 when you have a meager resume.