Mayweather has grown on me

[AgainstTheRopes]

I think he's won over a lot of fans since Pacquiao got knocked out cold. People are coming around to truly appreciate his world class/ATG level ability.

[sparkman0811]

I think the reason why is the ability to back it up. You know , he doesn't just talk the talk , he walks the walks. I use to see him as this clown who was so full of himself. But I think he's gotten away from that stuff lately. I think he has matured. I think the time he did , even though it was nothing major really humbled him. He seems more grounded now.

He is his own boss. He dictates his future. And I look at his last 20 fights and I see nothing but respectable opposition. Very good fighters. When he beats them the way he does then some fans go , oh he was a bum. Really?? So who out there is really going to challenge Floyd?? Is it his fault that opponents are not on his level?

Yeah he hasn't fought Pacquiao. For whatever reason , I don't think the blame can be put on him alone. Whether we think Pacquiao beats him or not is not the point.

I know a lot of people want him to lose and I use to be one of those , but not anymore. The fact that some fans buy his PPVs just to see if he losses says a lot.

His last 20 opponents where a combined 762-59. That's roughly 92.25%. That is amazing. That to me says he has steadily beaten good opposition , the best the world has to offer.
Only names in his resume which I would not consider a "live dog" at the time they fought are Bruseles and Baldomir. Not saying they were bums either. Just saying those are the least talented ones.

Who else could he have fought besides Pacquiao that he never did. For whatever reason. A fighter that you think could have challenged Floyd and the fight was never made?

And of course excluding Pacquiao , right now who can challenge him. A lot of people complaining about Khan but what difference does it make if whoever they put in front of him will get outclassed.

Garcia and Bradley I think are intriguing but I think Floyd has seen it all and will find a way to win.

Who else could he have fought back then and who can he fight now that you honestly believe has a chance?

Alright, thanks, LarryX.

[Calabis]

That's creepy.

First off, he isn't his own boss. He claimed so for a while but the reality is GB is his promoter, he even said so in his latest video.

Second, there is an opponent on his level he has been ducking for 5 years and counting. Even after that opponent became his mandatory he said and I quote, "He can have the belt.".

Third, it's not that there aren't fighters on his level, it's that he chooses fighters under his level in order to make himself shine. That's a technique used in several fields and it always works.

Fourth, having people tune in to see your downfall is not something to be proud of as a civil human being. To know that many people wish to see your downfall should make you reconsider your behavior and the way you present yourself. You don't need to be a dislikable figure in order to be successful, Manny Pacquiao is a prime example of that. Floyd's lack of excitement however requires him to do so in order to gain attention.

Fifth, fighters fight tomato cans up until they step up to the big leagues. That percentage doesn't really mean much in a sport where fighters are slowly and safely taken along the path until they get the chance to get a big pay day.

And last but not least, he could've fought Cotto back in 2008 when he decided to retire. You know, when Cotto was still in his prime and one of the biggest names in the division. Same with Margarito. Same with Mosley. He chose to play it safe and wait until they got beat and worn out; just like he is trying to do with Pacquiao.

Just like the few fans he has, he has got you brainwashed too and that is okay. Weak minded people are easily manipulatable.

First off you are wrong, he is his own boss, read the Richard Schafer New York Times Article that has been posted here a millions times...he pays Golden Boy to the sum of 10 million at times to help promote his fights, due to logistics and company staffing.

Second, lets quit the lies and bs....Mayweather has his share of the blame, but Pac and Arum have thrown in plenty of wrenches them damn selves. Please explain why its only top rank opponents this seems to be a issue with?

Third, so he fights his mandatory and a bigger guy in Canelo who was a title holder and now all of a sudden he picks soft weak guys, yet Pac beats the same guys after he beats them and they are great wins?.... Also when he was coming up he was avoided and not given any major bouts, because his name was not big enough(PPV) and he was to dangerous and not worth the risk.

Fourth, he picked up that persona during the DLH fight, it was the first time he took the brunt of not being liked, and his first major PPV fight....he played into and ran with it. Business philosophy....if I can't make people like me, make them hate me and watch me....seems his choice has made him record paydays and tons of cash.

Fifth no matter how u spin it, the guys he fought are either champions or #1/#2 contenders, you don't get to that level by being some ****ty fighter. Funny Pac beats Rios and people act like he just beat Ali, Mayweather beats Canelo and now its a cherry pick/weak opponent...really?

Last but not least....he could not have fought Cotto, he attempted to once before, which is why he fought Brussels who was Cotto's sparring partner. Unfortunately Uncle Bob stated Cotto was not ready and he wanted to build that fight up.....Margarito??? He wanted more money to fight Margarito, Bob offered 7 mil at the time(May wanted 10 mil for Cotto/Hatton)...go do your research the **** is not hard. U act like there is zero business side to boxing...crap amazes me.

If you want to hate the guy, fine hate him...just don't make **** up that u heard from some other guy...the internet has a ton of information...collect it then make a sound decision

[Calabis]

I like floyd but when you realise the majority of the 'who's who' of welterweights of his era clottey, margarito, pacquiao and paul williams are missing from his resume there is no way you can see he has fought decent fighters.

Please tell me which person didn't avoid Paul Williams back then?

[emurgencee]

That's creepy.

First off, he isn't his own boss. He claimed so for a while but the reality is GB is his promoter, he even said so in his latest video.

Second, there is an opponent on his level he has been ducking for 5 years and counting. Even after that opponent became his mandatory he said and I quote, "He can have the belt.".

Third, it's not that there aren't fighters on his level, it's that he chooses fighters under his level in order to make himself shine. That's a technique used in several fields and it always works.

Fourth, having people tune in to see your downfall is not something to be proud of as a civil human being. To know that many people wish to see your downfall should make you reconsider your behavior and the way you present yourself. You don't need to be a dislikable figure in order to be successful, Manny Pacquiao is a prime example of that. Floyd's lack of excitement however requires him to do so in order to gain attention.

Fifth, fighters fight tomato cans up until they step up to the big leagues. That percentage doesn't really mean much in a sport where fighters are slowly and safely taken along the path until they get the chance to get a big pay day.

And last but not least, he could've fought Cotto back in 2008 when he decided to retire. You know, when Cotto was still in his prime and one of the biggest names in the division. Same with Margarito. Same with Mosley. He chose to play it safe and wait until they got beat and worn out; just like he is trying to do with Pacquiao.

Just like the few fans he has, he has got you brainwashed too and that is okay. Weak minded people are easily manipulatable.

You ******. And in due time I will spend a couple of minutes, chopping your comment up and explain why. See you shortly.

[TMT2K]

Brandon Rios is a tougher opponent than any of Gayweather's last 10 opponents. That's fact.

And Manny dismantled him with ease.

[junior gong]

Only the simple minded and uneducated judge the surface and then proceed to attack without any factual information in return. I do not expect everyone here to be an intellectually orientated poster so I can't blame you.

Fact is, being an own boss doesn't require from two other bosses in order to come to decisions. He claimed it was all up to him at one point, now he claims it depends on his team which include the head chiefs at GB Promotions.

Simple truth spoken.

[cupocity303]

Again , who would you have replaced in his resume at the time of the fight and who would you have put in place. And how else would you have developed them... Dont come with that ****** post if you cant even give an example of you opinion.

I'll take a crack at this.

Without giving reasons or explanations on why certain fights didn't happen or whose fault it was. He didn't fight Kostya Tszyu while passing through the Light-Welterweight division. Without pointing fingers, that fight could've been hard to make because of Tszyu (the real 140 champ), but it also didn't help that Floyd was fond of the green WBC belts and his mentality was/is that the guy with the green belt is the real champion.

Statistically, he was right in choosing Baldomir over Margarito in that Baldomir was recognized as the real Welterweight champ after upsetting Judah. But subjectively, as a WBO Title holder, Margarito was a top welterweight for a much longer period than Baldomir - who just recently became champion. And considering that he still took the time to fight Judah (the former champion coming off of a loss) for the IBF belt which Zab only kept because Baldomir didn't pay the IBF's sanctioning fee, some can say that he could've done the same with Margarito. Now, the timing is problematic because after Baldomir, the big money fighter (Delahoya) came calling and who would turn that down after the Baldomir fight (which fans in attendance walked out on).

He did manage to get in another fight after Oscar by beating Ricky Hatton, which was a good fight and a good victory over a undefeated fighter, albeit a failed Welterweight who took his balls back to 140 after almost losing to light-punching boxer Louis Collazo for the IBF Welterweight title. So even though he made a defense against P4P guy, his first Welterweight title defense was against a failed welterweight who wasn't even a 147-contender/title holder.

That's ok though because you can always fight the Margarito's and the up and coming Cotto afterwards right? No, because he took two year layoff and the top contenders all fought each other in a round robin of sorts with Mosley coming out on top at the end of it all (having lost to Cotto, Cotto having lost to Margarito and Margarito losing to Mosley who was scheduled to defend against Berto with the fight ending up cancelled). So after facing a Lightweight Champion in Marquez who moved up two weight divisions (not a top Welterweight or even a 147 contender) after a two year layoff.... technically like with Baldomir, he did the right thing and faced Mosley therefore you can't criticize him. Then he did make a title defense against (technically) a top contender in Victor Ortiz - who did grab his WBC belt while he was taking another lengthy break, but like Baldomir before, Ortiz is again a new comer, while ignoring the top guy (Pacquiao) who was a top 147 contender for a much longer time.

The gap in NOT fighting Vs fighting the technically correct guy (I.E. Lineal Champ Baldomir, Lineal Champ Mosley, new WBC Champ Ortiz) is the whole crux of the matter, and why the never ending battle between Flomos, Pactards and all kinds of third party participants remains to this day.


THE END.

[bojangles1987]

I'll take a crack at this.

Without giving reasons or explanations on why certain fights didn't happen or whose fault it was. He didn't fight Kostya Tszyu while passing through the Light-Welterweight division. Without pointing fingers, that fight could've been hard to make because of Tszyu (the real 140 champ), but it also didn't help that Floyd was fond of the green WBC belts and his mentality was/is that the guy with the green belt is the real champion.

Statistically, he was right in choosing Baldomir over Margarito in that Baldomir was recognized as the real Welterweight champ after upsetting Judah. But subjectively, as a WBO Title holder, Margarito was a top welterweight for a much longer period than Baldomir - who just recently became champion. And considering that he still took the time to fight Judah (the former champion coming off of a loss) for the IBF belt which Zab only kept because Baldomir didn't pay the IBF's sanctioning fee, some can say that he could've done the same with Margarito. Now, the timing is problematic because after Baldomir, the big money fighter (Delahoya) came calling and who would turn that down after the Baldomir fight (which fans in attendance walked out on).

He did manage to get in another fight after Oscar by beating Ricky Hatton, which was a good fight and a good victory over a undefeated fighter, albeit a failed Welterweight who took his balls back to 140 after almost losing to light-punching boxer Louis Collazo for the IBF Welterweight title. So even though he made a defense against P4P guy, his first Welterweight title defense was against a failed welterweight who wasn't even a 147-contender/title holder.

That's ok though because you can always fight the Margarito's and the up and coming Cotto afterwards right? No, because he took two year layoff and the top contenders all fought each other in a round robin of sorts with Mosley coming out on top at the end of it all (having lost to Cotto, Cotto having lost to Margarito and Margarito losing to Mosley who was scheduled to defend against Berto with the fight ending up cancelled). So after facing a Lightweight Champion in Marquez who moved up two weight divisions (not a top Welterweight or even a 147 contender) after a two year layoff.... technically like with Baldomir, he did the right thing and faced Mosley therefore you can't criticize him. Then he did make a title defense against (technically) a top contender in Victor Ortiz - who did grab his WBC belt while he was taking another lengthy break, but like Baldomir before, Ortiz is again a new comer, while ignoring the top guy (Pacquiao) who was a top 147 contender for a much longer time.

The gap in NOT fighting Vs fighting the technically correct guy (I.E. Lineal Champ Baldomir, Lineal Champ Mosley, new WBC Champ Ortiz) is the whole crux of the matter, and why the never ending battle between Flomos, Pactards and all kinds of third party participants remains to this day.


THE END.

This is beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

[Bushbaby]

I'll take a crack at this.

Without giving reasons or explanations on why certain fights didn't happen or whose fault it was. He didn't fight Kostya Tszyu while passing through the Light-Welterweight division. Without pointing fingers, that fight could've been hard to make because of Tszyu (the real 140 champ), but it also didn't help that Floyd was fond of the green WBC belts and his mentality was/is that the guy with the green belt is the real champion.

Statistically, he was right in choosing Baldomir over Margarito in that Baldomir was recognized as the real Welterweight champ after upsetting Judah. But subjectively, as a WBO Title holder, Margarito was a top welterweight for a much longer period than Baldomir - who just recently became champion. And considering that he still took the time to fight Judah (the former champion coming off of a loss) for the IBF belt which Zab only kept because Baldomir didn't pay the IBF's sanctioning fee, some can say that he could've done the same with Margarito. Now, the timing is problematic because after Baldomir, the big money fighter (Delahoya) came calling and who would turn that down after the Baldomir fight (which fans in attendance walked out on).

He did manage to get in another fight after Oscar by beating Ricky Hatton, which was a good fight and a good victory over a undefeated fighter, albeit a failed Welterweight who took his balls back to 140 after almost losing to light-punching boxer Louis Collazo for the IBF Welterweight title. So even though he made a defense against P4P guy, his first Welterweight title defense was against a failed welterweight who wasn't even a 147-contender/title holder.

That's ok though because you can always fight the Margarito's and the up and coming Cotto afterwards right? No, because he took two year layoff and the top contenders all fought each other in a round robin of sorts with Mosley coming out on top at the end of it all (having lost to Cotto, Cotto having lost to Margarito and Margarito losing to Mosley who was scheduled to defend against Berto with the fight ending up cancelled). So after facing a Lightweight Champion in Marquez who moved up two weight divisions (not a top Welterweight or even a 147 contender) after a two year layoff.... technically like with Baldomir, he did the right thing and faced Mosley therefore you can't criticize him. Then he did make a title defense against (technically) a top contender in Victor Ortiz - who did grab his WBC belt while he was taking another lengthy break, but like Baldomir before, Ortiz is again a new comer, while ignoring the top guy (Pacquiao) who was a top 147 contender for a much longer time.

The gap in NOT fighting Vs fighting the technically correct guy (I.E. Lineal Champ Baldomir, Lineal Champ Mosley, new WBC Champ Ortiz) is the whole crux of the matter, and why the never ending battle between Flomos, Pactards and all kinds of third party participants remains to this day.


THE END.

Gotta get my co-sign on, tread destroyed.