2013 Boxingscene Fighter of the Year - Guillermo Rigondeaux

[Weebler I]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=canelo&page=2

Everyone on the forum has changed their opinions based on subsequent results. You only have to go to last weekend when everyone thought Broner would beat Maidana.

As things stand today, Canelo's best win looks shaky at best, Guerrero's even worse with Berto losing by KO to Karass.

Beating these guys is somehow fighter of the year material.

Oh right, yeah.

So Guerrero and Canelo belong on the PFP list? It's no accident, the Ring are biased when it comes to GBP, almost everyone acknowledges it, yet you choose to argue otherwise. Fine, if that's what you believe.

He beat two Top 10 WW's, one as a heavy underdog so his ranking was justified at the time. He was #3 anyway not #2 on second thought.

And you say "Guererro clearly wasn't #2" then list Chilemba as #7 and Bellew at #6 like that's legit Despite none of them having any wins over Top 10 LHW's yet Guererro has two.

Well there you go. I doubt many consider him amongst the best in the division today.

As I said before, the Bellew and Boone wins are a bonus. Compare Guerrero to Cloud, not to Bellew and Boone.

The Boone win is irrelevant.

Boone KO'd the guy. I happen to think avenging a defeat of a guy who KO'd you is relevant. Once again, these are just bonuses. KO's are also more impressive than UDs and getting into the ring 4 times (in 9 months) is more impressive than just twice in 12.

But that's not what my post was about I didn't mention anything about who I think should be FOTY the point of my post was you're talking about "objectivity" yet your post is absolutely riddled with clear, obvious bias.

You're talking like it was a reply to your post. It wasn't, it was to 4Corners because he doesn't get overly emotional, he's a good poster even if we disagree often. I hadn't even addressed you in the thread yet you go off on one, it's unnecessary. Play the ball, not the man. Make your boxing points and leave the extraneous smilies for those under 15 years old!

[Rome-By-Ko]

What does that have to even do with anything? The award is not called PPV star of the year. It's not called "legacy of the year" which makes no sense. And it's not called "Bank Account of the year".

Mayweather deserves to be up there because of his two dominating performances in the ring, one over a guy considered his biggest threat.

Again,I don't see the point of you responding to my post,is it not clear as day that I made mention to him fighting top contenders??Not to take into account that he broke recs this yr would be foolish..It will also play a big part if he should win it this yr..Don't kid ya self to believe that breaking that rec does not weigh in heavy on Mayweather picking that award up..You'd be ****** to believe this,then again,we are talking about you..

[RubenSonny]

Everyone on the forum has changed their opinions based on subsequent results. You only have to go to last weekend when everyone thought Broner would beat Maidana.

As things stand today, Canelo's best win looks shaky at best, Guerrero's even worse with Berto losing by KO to Karass.

What were the subsequent results for Canelo exactly?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He was coming off a lose period..Not to mention no mention of Marquez who KO'd Manny..Dawson does not have a win to match Marquez..Dawson is not viewed the same class of fighter Marquez is either..So stop it..Your hate for one fighter has clouded ya judgement..Bradley is clearly a leading canadate..There is no question about it..I really don't see what it is your arguing either..Are you saying Bradley should not be consider for FOTY??Please don't tell me your ******ity has went this far..

Marquez is better than Dawson, although older. But Ruslan Provodnikov is a C class brawler who's virtually done nothing in the sport and you claim he's better than a guy who was multiple time and lineal LHW champion of the world. You're an absolute farce and there's nothing you won't stoop to in order to give Bradley's hoop another cleaning. Disgraceful.

No I would not nominate Bradley for FOTY. He looked like **** and arguably lost to a fairly average fighter in Provodnikov. Squeaking a win in another close fight against a 40 year old Marquez isn't enough for me especially when you consider the DOMINATING and DECISIVE performances put on by the likes of Rigo, Mayweather etc.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Again,I don't see the point of you responding to my post,is it not clear as day that I made mention to him fighting top contenders??Not to take into account that he broke recs this yr would be foolish..It will also play a big part if he should win it this yr..Don't kid ya self to believe that breaking that rec does not weigh in heavy on Mayweather picking that award up..You'd be ****** to believe this,then again,we are talking about you..

Whether it does or doesn't isn't the point. It shouldn't.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Whether it does or doesn't isn't the point. It shouldn't.

Nobody should die and people should not steel lie or cheat..Yet they do,the same way a fighters whole yr,who he's fought and what he's meant to the sport of boxing should all be taking into account..FOTY should be about what goes on in the ring..Yet we all know that politics come into to play at times and things that should not be taking into account are..That's real life homie,trying living it a bit ay..

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Nobody should die and people should not steel lie or cheat..Yet they do,the same way a fighters whole yr,who he's fought and what he's meant to the sport of boxing should all be taking into account..FOTY should be about what goes on in the ring..Yet we all know that politics come into to play at times and things that should not be taking into account are..That's real life homie,trying living it a bit ay..

I didn't say it wasn't dip**** but this is a fan poll and fans opinions don't need to count outside factors in the same way the media will

[Rome-By-Ko]

Marquez is better than Dawson, although older. But Ruslan Provodnikov is a C class brawler who's virtually done nothing in the sport and you claim he's better than a guy who was multiple time and lineal LHW champion of the world. You're an absolute farce and there's nothing you won't stoop to in order to give Bradley's hoop another cleaning. Disgraceful.

No I would not nominate Bradley for FOTY. He looked like **** and arguably lost to a fairly average fighter in Provodnikov. Squeaking a win in another close fight against a 40 year old Marquez isn't enough for me especially when you consider the DOMINATING and DECISIVE performances put on by the likes of Rigo, Mayweather etc.

Dawson and Cloud are not better wins then Marquez(a HOF)and Prov a monster..Garcia win over the boogyman was also a better win then Stevenson's win over Dawson..Dawson was never really highly rated for me..Mayweather also fought and beat a fighter everyone wanted him to fight,and broke PPV record..Nah man,Bradley Mayweather and garcia are the guy's for me..

Let's take a look at the post again shall we..I compare their two best wins of the yr,while Stevenson's more impressive victory..Bradley had the more impressive opponents..Marquez over Dawson and Prov over Cloud's and Bullew..Simple really..

[Weebler I]

What were the subsequent results for Canelo exactly?

Losing clearly to FMJ, and his best (close) win in Trout losing clearly to Lara. It puts the jury out on Alvarez and at very least it certainly weakens his case for being the next best in the division at this year's end.

[IronDanHamza]

Everyone on the forum has changed their opinions based on subsequent results. You only have to go to last weekend when everyone thought Broner would beat Maidana.

As things stand today, Canelo's best win looks shaky at best, Guerrero's even worse with Berto losing by KO to Karass.

Beating these guys is somehow fighter of the year material. [/QUOTE]

Beat top ranked fighters is FOTY in your eyes.

Especially when he dominated a guy he "wouldn't go near".

So Guerrero and Canelo belong on the PFP list? It's no accident, the Ring are biased when it comes to GBP, almost everyone acknowledges it, yet you choose to argue otherwise. Fine, if that's what you believe.

I had Canelo in mine and Guererro just outside.

Even then, saying they're ranked highly is nothing but a baseless accusation.

Well there you go. I doubt many consider him amongst the best in the division today.

After the loss to Floyd perhaps but at the time.

Even still now he's one of the top contenders.

As I said before, the Bellew and Boone wins are a bonus. Compare Guerrero to Cloud, not to Bellew and Boone.

That's not what I was saying.

It's the fact you use their rankings as some kind of justification whilst playing down others rankings.

An obvious bias.

Boone KO'd the guy. I happen to think avenging a defeat of a guy who KO'd you is relevant. Once again, these are just bonuses. KO's are also more impressive than UDs and getting into the ring 4 times (in 9 months) is more impressive than just twice.

Boone is a journeyman.

You're talking like it was a reply to your post. It wasn't, it was to 4Corners because he doesn't get overly emotional, he's a good poster even if we disagree. I hadn't even addressed you in the thread yet you go off on one, it's unnecessary. Play the ball, not the man. Make your boxing points and leave the extraneous smilies for those under 15 years old!

It doesn't have to be a reply to my post.

You talking about objectivity startled me.

It startled me even more so when in that very same post you make a list which is clearly full of bias.

Those smiley faces are a great thing. When I worked out how to use them it's a great way to emote, especially when people say things as ridiculous and contradictory as you did in your post.