Julio Cesar Chavez

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  • Exciterx30
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    #21
    Originally posted by RiverCityMike
    I feel like Mancini could've been stopped on cuts. JCC hardly ever showed signs of abuse, he wouldn't wear down to the pressure and the pace. If Chavez had any problems there it would be the weight. Mancini is a little bigger, like how you mention Arguello, 147 and even 140 were a bit out of where he is best at like 135. Duran, though, might be the greatest 135 lber of all time.
    I think the fight with Mancini is a tossup, but Chávez is the bigger name and some fans who don't know Mancini, think that JCC would easily beat him. Durán was too big for Chávez. Proof is the fact that Durán even became a champion at 160, while JCC stopped being effective at 147.

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    • LostGuy
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      #22
      ok ladies did anyone happen to see chavez' last match on tv azteca. why was that on that crappy channel? his promoter is dumb. thats mexican public access channel i think. nobody saw the fight and many dont know he lost to the bum grover wiley although he broke his hand.

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      • RiverCityMike
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        #23
        Originally posted by Exciterx23
        I think the fight with Mancini is a tossup, but Chávez is the bigger name and some fans who don't know Mancini, think that JCC would easily beat him. Durán was too big for Chávez. Proof is the fact that Durán even became a champion at 160, while JCC stopped being effective at 147.
        Manicini, i think was bigger than the other two, Duran won a title at 160, but he wasn't the Duran that anyone remembered from 135. Duran just had what it takes to stay in the game that long, but it's not that he really should have. These days with all these titles anybody with Duran's skills could smoke and drink all day and with a good management team and promoter win 1 of the big 4.

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          #24
          Originally posted by RiverCityMike
          Manicini, i think was bigger than the other two, Duran won a title at 160, but he wasn't the Duran that anyone remembered from 135. Duran just had what it takes to stay in the game that long, but it's not that he really should have. These days with all these titles anybody with Duran's skills could smoke and drink all day and with a good management team and promoter win 1 of the big 4.
          You know, my favorite Durán fights are those from his 147, 154, and 160 days. I think he was a smarter boxer who used his ring experience to beat or hang on with younger, stronger guys. Seriously, could you think of another lightweight beating Leonard at 147, hanging tough with Hagler at 160, beating KO machine, Pipino Cuevas at 154, and beating Iran Barkley at age 38? Durán was definitely special.

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          • RiverCityMike
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            #25
            Originally posted by Exciterx23
            You know, my favorite Durán fights are those from his 147, 154, and 160 days. I think he was a smarter boxer who used his ring experience to beat or hang on with younger, stronger guys. Seriously, could you think of another lightweight beating Leonard at 147, hanging tough with Hagler at 160, beating KO machine, Pipino Cuevas at 154, and beating Iran Barkley at age 38? Durán was definitely special.
            yeah, he was definitely one of the best in my opinion. and he fought for as long most guys' careers twice.

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              #26
              Originally posted by piggu
              You were right. He has a pretty impressive resume. But what happened against Frankie Randall? Was he out of shape or was it just his style? I think I need to buy some tapes of him and see.
              Forget Frankie Randall, Chavez got his ass handed to him by Pernell Whitaker!!

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              • dino
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                #27
                Originally posted by piggu
                I don't know anything about him. People tell me that he is the best Mexican fighter of all time, but they don't tell me why. Can somebody tell me what makes him so great?
                chavez blew up his record fighting bums in mexico..ppl are in aw of his 100 plus wins thats all..he's overrated..de la hoya was a much better fighter

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                  #28
                  Chaves, watching some of his fights, lacked footwork. he lacked a good jab. He lacked handspeed. And he lacked a lot of boxing basics.

                  He's the epitome of a Mexican slugger who lacks the skills but makes up for it with determination. CHavez had decent power, he was always relentless and posseseed a pretty decent chin.

                  but against boxers who counter punches him to death, he always get his ass whooped.

                  by looking at his record, I immediately saw an impression that this guy is for real. But when you start seeing him throwing wide punches, seeing him once-dimensional, seeing him get whipped by finesse boxers, one can easily see his record has been bloated and most of it is pre-planned fights.

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