Floyd's Shoulder Roll vs Pacquiao's Mobility?

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

the point isn't the jab people, it's the left hand, the angle it has on the shoulder roll defence

You keep moving your point around. Its common knowledge that the left hand is key in breaking down any shoulder roll. You say Manny's left is the key and use Cotto's jab as an example. But you ignore that Manny's left cross has to travel farther while also leaving him open for counters. (He also drops his right almost every time he throws it).

This compounded with his significant reach disadvantage makes him a sizable underdog.

[boxingfeind]

Predictable. This reeks of triangle theories and misnomers. You haven't described Pacquiao at all. His counter punching and boxing skills are exceptional - far better than you make it seem. You're blind if you can't see that at this point. He's unorthodox and absolutely lethal in transition. Do you really think Pacquiao is going to be "leaning in" to do anything? He's not at all like Judah aside from being a southpaw. He's closer to Castillo in terms pressure only he's significantly faster, more athletic and more powerful than JLC - if you to expound further on the types of fighters and styles that have troubled Mayweather historically. He's also a better all around fighter. Pacquiao's averages 30 more punches per round than Mayweather. Punches that are so hard according to Shane Mosley they can do damage from any distance thrown from any angle. Funny post, buddy.

Wasn`t he leaning to try hit Marquez then Marquez would counter him with combos?And when did i say Pacquiao is like Zab?I said Pacquiao is different from Zab.Zab gave Floyd problems because he has more of a tricky unpredictable style plus he`s a southpaw.But Floyd eventually figured him out.With Pacquiao,his style is much more predictable cause all he does is shoot the Jab,Straight left,flurry combinations occasional feints,occasional counters, uses movement sometimes and that`s it.How is that unpredictable?


Castillo is a very crafty fighter who cuts the ring off well,who is willing to fight ruff sometimes to win.Pacquiao is not that good at cutting the ring off,just watch the Cotto fight.He had a lot of problems cutting the ring off.And Pacquiao arguably lost 4 times to a counter puncher like Marquez whose smaller,a lot slower and way less skilled then Mayweather.

Pacquaio may throw thirty more punches per round then mayweather,but Floyd is known for making fighters drop their punch output substantially after Floyd counters the sh@t out of them.You think Oscar Delahoya got tired against Floyd?You think Oscar stop using the Jab against Floyd because he didn`t feel like using the Jab?Floyd made him drop his punch out put because Floyd was countering the sh&t out of him which made him afraid to throw punches at times.The same with Guerrero,same with Mosley same with Canelo.When Pac-juice starts eating counters for dinner that 30 more punches per round output from pacquiao will decrease substantially.

[SplitSecond]

Pacquiao's cross has a longer distance to travel than Cotto's jab. Especially with Mayweather leaning in like that. You think he'd actually do that with Manny? He was having fun with Cotto because he found out early that Cotto couldn't hurt him. Same with Delahoya. He was much more weary with Canelo though

The only thing I know about this fight is I have to dream up more scenarios for Manny winning than I do for Mayweather. Especially because of Floyd's adaptibility and reach.

it's a little awkward to land a lead cross straight down the shoot like that because of the body torque required but pacquiao knows how to land his left, he has his pawing jabs, baiting jabs, blinding jabs and those hard fients he makes

it's another story if you are brawling with him or have one-up'ed him and are on the move, you can expect him to throw as soon as he gets close to you to get his point back, but standing there making faces and twitching(as floyd sometimes does) allows him to set stuff up, and he's real good against opponents in the centre of the ring, pacquiao is damn good with predicting where your head will go, he often hurts guys with a cross while they are on defense mode, just heatseeks where you're head will go

and that's not how the scenerio was, that round was the round floyd was losing big, he'd been hurt early in the round, he wasn't all there, esspecially his legs, he took his cleanest shots, body(real nice ones) and head, in that round, he wasnt toying with cotto as much as he was bragging about cotto not being able to spark him, cotto didn't even catch on that he hurt floyd, otherwise floyd might have lost the fight in that round or a kd

[boxingfeind]

the point isn't the jab people, it's the left hand, the angle it has on the shoulder roll defence

Oh so you think Floyd`s defense only consist of the shoulder roll?Floyd`s defense is very diverse,he doesn`t always shoulder roll to avoid to punches.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Been saying this for about 6 years now, Mayweather beats Manny and it's not that hard. Mayweather is a counter puncher, Manny likes to come forward and his lack of size is something that will benefit Mayweather.

Mayweather UD easily........

[SplitSecond]

Oh so you think Floyd`s defense only consist of the shoulder roll?Floyd`s defense is very diverse,he doesn`t always shoulder roll to avoid to punches.

did i say it only consists of the shoulder roll?
must have missed it, get back to me wheen you find out where in whichever one of my posts i say floyd only has the shoulder roll

[boxingfeind]

it's a little awkward to land a lead cross straight down the shoot like that because of the body torque required but pacquiao knows how to land his left, he has his pawing jabs, baiting jabs, blinding jabs and those hard fients he makes

it's another story if you are brawling with him or have one-up'ed him and are on the move, you can expect him to throw as soon as he gets close to you to get his point back, but standing there making faces and twitching(as floyd sometimes does) allows him to set stuff up, and he's real good against opponents in the centre of the ring, pacquiao is damn good with predicting where your head will go, he often hurts guys with a cross while they are on defense mode, just heatseeks where you're head will go

and that's not how the scenerio was, that round was the round floyd was losing big, he'd been hurt early in the round, he wasn't all there, esspecially his legs, he took his cleanest shots, body(real nice ones) and head, in that round, he wasnt toying with cotto as much as he was bragging about cotto not being able to spark him, cotto didn't even catch on that he hurt floyd, otherwise floyd might have lost the fight in that round or a kd

You act as if Cotto beat Floyd,Cotto lost by a huge margin,and Floyd is not gonna fight Pacquiao the same way he fought Cotto.And you failed to mention Pacquiao eating tons of Jabs and counters by Marquez and arguably losing 4 times to him.

[boxingfeind]

did i say it only consists of the shoulder roll?
must have missed it, get back to me wheen you find out where in whichever one of my posts i say floyd only has the shoulder roll

You act like the shoulder roll is the only defense Floyd is gonna have for Pacquiao.Floyd knows what type of defense to use against Pacquiao.

[SplitSecond]

You act like the shoulder roll is the only defense Floyd is gonna have for Pacquiao.Floyd knows what type of defense to use against Pacquiao.

this is all in your head

i've had this talk plenty of times, if floyd is gonna come foward like alot of his biggest fans seem to think, he should come about it with the high guard

but i personally think if floyd comes foward or tries to stay in the center ring with pacquiao he makes it a long night for himself
whereas if he moves and boxes he can make it look easy

[Bushbaby]

Floyd has been in there with pretty good offensive fighters. Pacman has been in there with one good counter puncher and that tells you all you need to know in this tread.