Ward in beating E-Rod as a LHW has now twice beaten the lineal LHW champ.

[RubenSonny]

LOL this is ******ed, how could there be two lineal champions at the same time?

[Spray_resistant]

Chad was recognized but not really the lineal champ, I should have clarified that he had no true lineage it was created out of nothing really.

[Verstyle]

In 2010 Pascal was lineal champ after that it was Hopkins and then Dawson,no way you can recongnize Dawson as being lineal and then say Zsolt was still lineal because Dawson's lineage comes from Pascal-Hopkins

[Verstyle]

you can not leave a division for a year and a half and still be the lineal champion

[Spray_resistant]

Versy their lineage wasn't authentic and was not based on any actual unification
fights at the time just the WBC title and various forms of it along with the RING cooperating with them, a lineage cannot be vacated unless the champion is retired or out of the division for good.

[Russian Crushin]

When you retire, you give up the lineal title.

[Russian Crushin]

For example Muhammad Ali retired his lineal title for refusing being drafted and that made the Frazier-Ellis fight for the real HW championship.

[Spray_resistant]

retire to me means never fight again, Zsolt didn't do that so based on objective reason and fight results I will recognize Ward as the legitimate LHW champion until a man over 168lbs beats him or he retires/fights over 175 never to return to the weight class again.

[Russian Crushin]

retire to me means never fight again, Zsolt didn't do that so based on objective reason and fight results I will recognize Ward as the legitimate LHW champion until a man over 168lbs beats him or he retires/fights over 175 never to return to the weight class again.

Lol if you say you retire, then thats retirement. Zolt, retired, but then decided to return a few months later, but it didnt cancel out his retirement. Same happened with Floyd when retired after hatton

[Spray_resistant]

Lol if you say you retire, then thats retirement. Zolt, retired, but then decided to return a few months later, but it didnt cancel out his retirement. Same happened with Floyd when retired after hatton

Those are just words, what matters is what happens and the results in the ring, for example Floyd beat Ortiz for the WBC title at 147 then didn't defend his title against Guerrero for about the same amount of time Zsolt took a break but wasn't stripped and he didn't even have any lineage to my knowledge.

Regardless of whether he fought Cotto at 154 or if he decided to be a tennis player he had a title at a specific weight class and didn't defend it for a some time but is still the recognized champion of that organization which means even less than the inarguable claim Zsolt could make at 175.