Is David Haye's retirement good or bad for the HW division?

[Earl-Hickey]

i'm glad he's gone, i was one of his biggest fans for years but he's been playing at boxing since he beat Valuev, and i had enough of him.

[beez721]

Hes not retiring

He'll be recovered within 6 months ready to fight Vitali or Fury

Way tooo much money to be made and he is still young

we dont know the extent of his injury tho. maybe it really is career ending. plus,,, he already retired once so his desire is already questionable

[FrankieBruno]

we dont know the extent of his injury tho. maybe it really is career ending. plus,,, he already retired once so his desire is already questionable

Boxers have shoulder injuries/operations all the time, he'll just need a lay off period to recover

As long as he believes he is better than the competition he will return. He can be 70% fit and still beat Fury IMO

He's better off getting is shoulder fixed now

I have no doubt in my mind he will fight again, he loves the money way too much

[LacedUp]

Well Lets See. Fury has fought some veterins and some undefeated prospects. Actually Fury fought a few of them as he gained experience moving up.

Chisora (when he was undefeated)
Pajkik (still a prospect)
Cunningham ( live fighter)
Kevin Johnson (Semi washed up old contender with blood still flowing)

Now Lets look at Wlad
Monte Barrett (semi washed up, but still had some blood flow)
Valuev (a complete joke who even a washed up Holyfield beat)
Ruiz (one foot in the grave)
Harrison (LOL)
Chisora (but only after getting beat multiple times before hand.)

When has Haye taken a risk at Heavy? Find a risky fighter besides WLAD for me. Even an undefeated prospect?

lol stop it..

Chisora might have been undefeated, but was it a better Chisora Fury fought? No. He was totally out of shape coming from the two Wlad withdrawels. Haye fought a motivated, tip top shape Chisora who came off good performances vs Vitali and Helenius.

Pajkic is a turd. Don't even try.

Cunningham is not a heavyweight, but a live fighter though coming off a good win against Adamek where he didn't get a decision. Doesn't change the fact that whilst Haye has been outweighed in every single one of his HW fights, Fury fought a guy who started at LHW and had 4-5 losses on his record to CWs.

How can you say Ruiz had one foot in the grave but say Johnson had some blood flowing? no way. Johnson threw about 100 punches in 12 rounds against Fury and was coming off a loss in Prizefighter against the mighty Tor Hamer. ffs, whereas Ruiz had won a final eliminator and was ranked #1 with the WBA.

Chisora Haye fought would have whooped the fat, unmotivated Chisora that Fury fought. And he's said that himself.

Haye also fought Bonin with only 1 loss, a European champion, a hard journeyman in Monte Barrett who'd never really been dominated like that - and he said Haye was the best he fought (along with Wlad).

It's not that Haye's resume is great, but his top 5 wins are better than Fury's top 5 wins. By quite a margin.

[yoz]

Its all BS, this retirement talk.

Haye loves the spotlight too much to just disappear. I have no doubt he'll be back in 2014 fighting Grandpa Vits.

[Mr. Philadel]

Haye is a fighter I dislike with a passion....besides Kermit Cintron, I can't think of one fighter I'd enjoy seeing KTFO more....well maybe Bute but my dude Froch scratched that itch for me and Pascal will cure the sport of the cancer

Back to the point....personal feelings aside, Haye was good for the division....he was charismatic and dude could fight a bit....from day one I KNEW he was barking at the wrong K2 bro....Vitali is the bro he had a better chance at beating....regardless of what the consensus says about the bros....Haye's strengths matched up better against Vitali's weaknesses than Wlad's.....Vitali is slower with his hands and feet than Wlad....I will forever believe Haye would've gave Big Vit hell....call me crazy, but I think the Scam Maker would've beaten Vit

[GoldenGloveLove]

Fast, talented power punchers who look like real atheletes and speak english in the heavyweight division are good for me. The thing that was wrong to me is not enough of him. I also didn't think the Klitschko fight was half as bad as they say. But I didn't buy that it was going to be some kind of brawl in the lead up either. I figured it'd be high speed chess and it was.

[removed]

It's a good thing. Haye is a disgrace to the sport.

"I'll only fight a Klitschko" - Then makes a fight with Derek Chisora.
"I'm going to retire when i'm 30" - See above

He trash talked his way to a fight with Wlad, leapfrogging far more legitimate contenders, then proceeds to put on an embarrassing performance & clearly had no intention of coming to fight. Then blames his toe.

He also nearly ruined PPV in the UK with that farce with Audley Harrison.

He's a money grabbing scumbag who deep down, actually hates boxing & has complete contempt for his 'fans'.

Luckily he's more wooden than a spoon so i doubt we'll be seeing much of him in films.

[Foreign Soil]

Haye is a fighter I dislike with a passion....besides Kermit Cintron, I can't think of one fighter I'd enjoy seeing KTFO more....well maybe Bute but my dude Froch scratched that itch for me and Pascal will cure the sport of the cancer

Back to the point....personal feelings aside, Haye was good for the division....he was charismatic and dude could fight a bit....from day one I KNEW he was barking at the wrong K2 bro....Vitali is the bro he had a better chance at beating....regardless of what the consensus says about the bros....Haye's strengths matched up better against Vitali's weaknesses than Wlad's.....Vitali is slower with his hands and feet than Wlad....I will forever believe Haye would've gave Big Vit hell....call me crazy, but I think the Scam Maker would've beaten Vit

Haye fought an extremely weak fight against both Wlad and Valuev. The only way he beats Vitali is if he's beyond shot, and I don't think he is that shot.