Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao and Drug Testing Four Years Later

[Calm down mate]

Does anyone not think that team Pac were worried that Floyd could somehow bribe officials into tainting Pacquiao's results?

[Sugar Booger]

Sucks that everything was agreed on for them to fight in March of 2010. It was all over ESPN, was gonna be the biggest event in boxng history, fans who never watched boxing would buy it...then floyd had his doubts

If nky Lacquiao had called floyd on his bluff with testing, we would have seen if floyd would have stayed on for the fight. Because next round of negotiations floyd said he would take a vacation, then 50/50 wasoff the table. Now said pac would haveto sign with tmt promotions n all the rest of tmt fighters that have tested positive for performance enchanced

pac ducked drug testing then turned down 40 million so he could lose to Bradley and get KTFO by JMM

[Sugar Booger]

It was no big deal then and it's still not a big deal now, when 17 years olds, 14 years old are getting tested randomly at events in sports then I don't want to hear excuses why a guy that stood to make $40 odd millions would refuse unless he was on something.

That about sums it up

[richardt]

pac ducked drug testing then turned down 40 million so he could lose to Bradley and get KTFO by JMM

Pac didn't turn down 40 mill. Do you want to guess who did? And everyone knows he beat Bradley

[The Big Dunn]

Call it what you want but Floyd going around Arum's back because he does not want to work with Arum may have been wishful thinking but it also is a failure in itself because that just incited Arum. Maybe he thought he could get Pac to work outside of Arum, cant directly blame him for trying but it ultimately failed because he sparked Arum's huge ego into motion.

If your floyd, and you know Bob, its right to think Bob hasn't been honest with Manny. Sofloyd went directly to manny to get manny to pressure Bob to make the fight. Thats fine with me.

The problem is to do that and then offer $40 mil and no ppv. floyd needs to let it go. I agree floyd should make more, I just dont think he has to go about it this way.

[Sugar Booger]

Pac didn't turn down 40 mill. Do you want to guess who did? And everyone knows he beat Bradley

you're living in denial about the money and pac's loss to Bradley

[richardt]

If your floyd, and you know Bob, its right to think Bob hasn't been honest with Manny. Sofloyd went directly to manny to get manny to pressure Bob to make the fight. Thats fine with me. The problem is to do that and then offer $40 mil and no ppv. floyd needs to let it go. I agree floyd should make more, I just dont think he has to go about it this way.

My solution would have been to have 3 accountants hired and have them analyze all of Pac's and Mayweather's revenue and then split it based on that, rather than Arum, Floyd, or Pac determining the amount each side gets. My guess would be that it would have been 60% for Floyd, 40% for Pac or slightly more than that for Floyd and then both sides would have had to agree because Accountants did the math and that is something they know far better than Promoters or fighters know.

[Fetta]

There are at least two ways to respond. I used the "two different people asking you for money" scenario to show that many people will chose to not work with people who accuse them of something as opposed to some vindication. That means someone can say "I don't need to justify false accusations" or they can say "I will show everyone I am not on PEDS and test. Pac's first response was to take it personal and he sued. That is not up for debate, that was his actual response. That is a normal psychological response. Pac later on decides he wants the fight and agrees to random testing. That is also a normal psychological response. What his motivations are only he really knows but he did ultimately agree to testing for Floyd. Situations change, moods, egos, attitude, other nuances change but to say that the ONLY response a person will take is to vindicate themselves because they are accused of something is not a realistic understanding of the myriad of psychological responses that people can have based on a number of things. Now, lets hear what you think Floyd has done wrong if you want to be considered as someone who is not biased.

Yes the post i responded to was wrong on your part and i dont need some long explanation at what you think you wrote cause thats not what you wrote in the post i responded to.

I think Floyd during the phone call was wrong with the no PPV and 40 mil. But like i said it was beginning of negotiation that team PAc never wanted to even entertain. The testing during the first round should not ever be looked at like a roadblock or duck or anything negative. If pac is clean, god-given talent, and about to get biggest payday of career then he should have said yes. A clean athlete has nothing to hide IMO.

Seems you think he was somewhat right in rejecting testing and i dont see it that way. You seem intelligent so i wont say your an idiot for thinking that cause you obviously are deep into the psychology aspect of life and thats cool but i dont assume to know Pac or what he was thinking, i just go on what i would do or what i have heard multiple multiple multiple people say they would do when presented with the biggest payday of their careers. They would show they are clean and go on to collect

But to each his own

[Sugar Booger]

If your floyd, and you know Bob, its right to think Bob hasn't been honest with Manny. Sofloyd went directly to manny to get manny to pressure Bob to make the fight. Thats fine with me.

The problem is to do that and then offer $40 mil and no ppv. floyd needs to let it go. I agree floyd should make more, I just dont think he has to go about it this way.

From all of the interviews I've seen, the PPV $$ was to be discussed further into negotiations. Mayweather didn't say no PPV money for Pac. If so, post the link.

[richardt]

Yes the post i responded to was wrong on your part and i dont need some long explanation at what you think you wrote cause thats not what you wrote in the post i responded to.

I think Floyd during the phone call was wrong with the no PPV and 40 mil. But like i said it was beginning of negotiation that team PAc never wanted to even entertain. The testing during the first round should not ever be looked at like a roadblock or duck or anything negative. If pac is clean, god-given talent, and about to get biggest payday of career then he should have said yes. A clean athlete has nothing to hide IMO. I said in the original post "And if all board members interviewing you first accused you of doing PEDS, you would not want to work for them" and that is a very viable option if you are faced with the same scenario. Maybe YOU would act differently, or maybe YOU would not.

Seems you think he was somewhat right in rejecting testing and i dont see it that way. You seem intelligent so i wont say your an idiot for thinking that cause you obviously are deep into the psychology aspect of life and thats cool but i dont assume to know Pac or what he was thinking, i just go on what i would do or what i have heard multiple multiple multiple people say they would do when presented with the biggest payday of their careers. They would show they are clean and go on to collect

But to each his own

Again, the fact is there are many scenarios that can produce any number of results based on being asked for something, demanded, or accused. This is how social psychology works. I was NOT wrong in my analysis that one of the more likely scenarios is that Pac took the situation personally which is more of a child-like response as opposed to a cooler, collected approach. Or an approach of vindication. I originally said "And if all board members interviewing you first accused you of doing PEDS, you would not want to work for them". Maybe YOU would act differently or MAYBE NOT. You wouldn't know till you are in that situation and all the nuances of the time. So consider the "You" as in anyone then.