Wlad Addresses Haters: "Boxing is an Art"

[King_]

No wlad is not the king of anything.

There is no hypocricy or double standard. what there is is wlad fans trying to deflect from his last 2 ****ty crap ****ing fights by pretending this is a debate worth some kind of merit.
There is NO justification or spin acceptable from wlad fans regarding the povetkin fight.

"Hit and not get hit" is about movement not the excessive clutching/grabbing/holding that wlad did vs povetkin.

Come on bro...... NO ONE is disagreeing with you about the Povetkin. No one. Does one terrible fight with Povetkin discredit all of his other masterful boxing clinics and performances? Absolutely not. But that's what you're trying to make it seem like.

Again, NO ONE is disagreeing about the uglyness of the Povetkin fight. It was a stinker ( no worse then Hopkins though) which is another matter but a lot of the so called "boxing" fans who are saying the Povetkin fight was dirty, have no problem when Bernard Does it. AKA Frank Ducketts (although this is another matter like I said)

[beez721]

Even the biggest Wlad fan will tell you the Povetkin fight was excessive, and overboard. That's one of 63 fights..... Name some other fights where there was as much holding, or "illegal" holding as the Povetkin fight.


There have been no fights as bad as the Povetkin one and him clinching in other fights, is just part of the game. Any and every "boxer" clinches

I agree. hes had many fights were hes heisitant on throwing power shots but I havent noticed too many were his clinching was crossing the line of fouling. the first peter fight he did quite a bit of it,,but that was more understandable as he was facing a big puncher and was hurt in that fight. no excuses for the last fight tho. he had all the physical advantages and didnt need to resort to that

[Russian Crushin]

Mora and Hopkins aren't the HWT champion of the world nor are there 10 threads a day arguing either is the best ever or an ATG or an ATG hwt.

The man is a ****ing DISGRACE!! Hopefully, HBO never puts him on again no matter who he fights.

You and the n/e europe propagandist need to get this through your thick heads-mainstream US audiences don't like watching some big clown grab and hold an opponent he outweighs by 25-50 lbs. thats not what bhop, ward and floyd do.

The visual of wlad's last 2 fights turns people off. Don't get mad when posters point this out. In your mind, and the rest of the propagandists, it looks the same. Not to the masses.

Watch Hopkins' 2 fights with Dawson when he came in as the lineal LHW champ. They were clinch fests, he held almost every time Dawson got close, with head locks and every thing! The visual of hopkins is just as ugly, he holds all the damn time and jumps on guys backs as well. Does he hold as much as vlad did in the povetkin fight? no, but his style is very similar, his main technique is str8 right, and grab/spoil. Why does he get a pass because he's american or old or isnt as big? Like i said if you agree with the "hit and dont get hit premise" then you cant criticize vlad because thats exactly what he does. It is pretty? Hell no. But you have so many people calling Hopkins this boxing genius when he does the same thing as vlad

Im a Eastern Europe propagandist? Please most of my favorite fighters are mexican or PR. Ill criticize any fighter which includes Rigo, Hopkins, Vasquez, molina, mora, Vlad or Crawford who's main strategy is not to engaged

[King_]

Watch Hopkins' 2 fights with Dawson when he came in as the lineal LHW champ. They were clinch fests, he held almost every time Dawson got close, with head locks and every thing! The visual of hopkins is just as ugly, he holds all the damn time and jumps on guys backs as well. Does he hold as much as vlad did in the povetkin fight? no, but his style is very similar, his main technique is str8 right, and grab/spoil. Why does he get a pass because he's american or old or isnt as big? Like i said if you agree with the "hit and dont get hit premise" then you cant criticize vlad because thats exactly what he does. It is pretty? Hell no, but all safety first fighters are at the bottom of the excitement scale

Im a Eastern Europe propagandist? Please most of my favorite fighters are mexican or PR. Ill criticize any fighter which includes Rigo, Hopkins, Vasquez, molina, mora, Vlad or Crawford who's main strategy is not to engaged

The real "propagandists" are those who have NO problem and even defend Hopkins for the dirty tactics and can list 100s of excuses, such as he's old (as if Wlad's young) etc, but have a problem and call Wlad a bum for the Povetkin fight.


Povetkin-Wlad was an absolute stinker, but you better be saying the same thing about the last few Hopkins fights.

And the non-"propagandists" will tell you that his stinker with Povetkin and Hopkins stinkers with Dawson, don't discredit the masterful boxing clinics put on by both in years past.

Big Dunn am I wrong?

[The Big Dunn]

Come on bro...... NO ONE is disagreeing with you about the Povetkin. No one. Does one terrible fight with Povetkin discredit all of his other masterful boxing clinics and performances? Absolutely not. But that's what you're trying to make it seem like.

Again, NO ONE is disagreeing about the uglyness of the Povetkin fight. It was a stinker ( no worse then Hopkins though) which is another matter but a lot of the so called "boxing" fans who are saying the Povetkin fight was dirty, have no problem when Bernard Does it. AKA Frank Ducketts (although this is another matter like I said)

King, no direspect to you, but its hard not to give masterful performances against Pianeta. wach,mormeck, etc. This wasn't the 1st time.

wlad is a top p4p fighter and a hof'er no question. but the way he's fought since Manny got with him may have preserved his chin, but it in no way is mastering the sweet science. its refelctive of the terrible comp as much as it is his talent.

[The Big Dunn]

Watch Hopkins' 2 fights with Dawson when he came in as the lineal LHW champ. They were clinch fests, he held almost every time Dawson got close, with head locks and every thing! The visual of hopkins is just as ugly, he holds all the damn time and jumps on guys backs as well. Does he hold as much as vlad did in the povetkin fight? no, but his style is very similar, his main technique is str8 right, and grab/spoil. Why does he get a pass because he's american or old or isnt as big? Like i said if you agree with the "hit and dont get hit premise" then you cant criticize vlad because thats exactly what he does. It is pretty? Hell no. But you have so many people calling Hopkins this boxing genius when he does the same thing as vlad

Im a Eastern Europe propagandist? Please most of my favorite fighters are mexican or PR. Ill criticize any fighter which includes Rigo, Hopkins, Vasquez, molina, mora, Vlad or Crawford who's main strategy is not to engaged

The real "propagandists" are those who have NO problem and even defend Hopkins for the dirty tactics and can list 100s of excuses, such as he's old (as if Wlad's young) etc, but have a problem and call Wlad a bum for the Povetkin fight.


Povetkin-Wlad was an absolute stinker, but you better be saying the same thing about the last few Hopkins fights.

And the non-"propagandists" will tell you that his stinker with Povetkin and Hopkins stinkers with Dawson, don't discredit the masterful boxing clinics put on by both in years past.

Big Dunn am I wrong?

who said bhop/chad was a masterful boxing display?

bhop won the only way he could. bhop never had chad at the point of despair. bhop also was never close to getting dq'd.

Wlad, has a different way he can win, thats why people give him so much crap.

also, bhop fought this way a long time. wlad only started doing this to avoid getting his chin touched. he doesn't really move like bhop used to, he just grabs, and it just looks and feels different to a lot of fans.

[King_]

King, no direspect to you, but its hard not to give masterful performances against Pianeta. wach,mormeck, etc. This wasn't the 1st time.

wlad is a top p4p fighter and a hof'er no question. but the way he's fought since Manny got with him may have preserved his chin, but it in no way is mastering the sweet science. its refelctive of the terrible comp as much as it is his talent.

No problems. Well those were three of his most recent and worse opponents and the quality of opposition is another thing but I'm not even talking about those fights. I'm talking about his good wins. But as far as those go: it's not like any of those fights looked anything like the Povetkin fight, which some people are acting like every single Wlad fight has been like the Povetkin fight. Far from it.

To the second part: I disagree, but to each his own. Manny helped him perfect his craft and he did just that. If his chin was known to be shaky, why would he fight in a way where he's likely to get it cracked just because some people think he's too big to fight the way he does? Doesn't Floyd always say "Look I fight how I fight, the critics aren't going to be the ones with me if I have brain damage, etc" something along those lines. So why should Wlad disregard his health and his career just to please some fans? This is where a lot of the hypocrisy and double standards come about because even just today we've seen a thread asking "Why should "boxers" change their styles to please fans." They shouldn't. why should Wlad? And why aren't those same people who are angry that there are people who just want entertainment and brawls and disregard the slick, skilled "boxers" etc, mentioning Wlad? In fact those same people are the ones who are calling him a bum because he doesn't fight in that entertaining/brawling style! So much hypocrisy.

People are just angry because Wlad is a big guy and they want to see Tyson. Yet those same people are the ones who defend Floyd when his critics criticize him for not knocking people out like Hagler. Wlad is a technician no different then any of the "boxers" people love, they just don't acknowledge it because he's big and outweighs opponents. So be it, like I said if Wlad has a shaky chin, there's no reason to let someone hit him. I can't see any logical way how he isn't mastering the sweet science yet all the smaller boxers are. In fact, I would even say if Ward and Floyd were Wlad's size they would fight exactly the same way. Why wouldn't they? If they already have that "I'm fighting for myself and the W" mentality. But they're not his size, and it's not Wlad's fault.

[King_]

who said bhop/chad was a masterful boxing display?

bhop won the only way he could. bhop never had chad at the point of despair. bhop also was never close to getting dq'd.

Wlad, has a different way he can win, thats why people give him so much crap.

also, bhop fought this way a long time. wlad only started doing this to avoid getting his chin touched. he doesn't really move like bhop used to, he just grabs, and it just looks and feels different to a lot of fans.

No one said that in particular but come on..... You know exactly who I'm talking about. There's certain posters who just in the last couple of days had said Wlad is a bum because of how he fought Povetkin, yet Hopkins dirty fight against Chad was OK because he's old and whatever other weird Wlad-discrediting logic they have.

[JACK1190]

Never knew clinching was an art...well it is in mma, maybe he's in the wrong sport. I don't know how he dare defend the way he fights, he's one of the most boring fighters in history!

[Frank Ducketts]

hops did it alot when he was wlads age as well. not that it makes it right

Hop has never clinched like Wlad. I can't think of another high profile fighter who clinhed, grabbed, and threw a guy down to win a hvw title fight, sorry.